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MalcSB

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #44,066
shmmeee said:
What?
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Over 22% of their electorate voted for the batshit party, only 20% of the UK electorate voted for Labour.
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #44,067
MalcSB said:
Over 22% of their electorate voted for the batshit party, only 20% of the UK electorate voted for Labour.
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Nothing as weird as people’s maths once they lose an election.

Meanwhile one party has a stinking majority and unbridled power and the other is seemingly likely to be a minority in every vote.

Still, you racists can join the Corbynites for the fantasy electoral system awards I guess.
 

Sbarcher

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #44,068
MalcSB said:
I think care needs to be taken when looking at the uptake of BEVs, especially in Europe. There seems to be a lot of concern in the motor trade at the number that have been preregistered and held on to before being sold as nearly new. There are examples of two year old cars with less than 100 miles coming up for sale. This is having a massive impact on residuals, making motor traders nervous of taking them in and buyers equally nervous of buying them. I have been told that Porsche dealers weren’t taking Taycans in part exchange because of the huge losses that were being made on them.

I assume when you refer to tariffs on BEV s you means on Chinese ones. They are not too cheap, but they are less than the European manufacturers prices which in turn are more than the consumer is willing to pay.

As far as I know, the threat to bring forward the cutoff for new ICE to 2030 hasn’t actually been enacted yet, but without significant changes in vehicle pricing and non domestic charging costs, uptake is likely to be slow. If I was head of a European manufacturer, I would be getting my finance department to calculate the costs of pulling out of the UK entirely , taking in to account the costs of the fines for continuing to provide the customer with what they actually want - which are ICE cars.

It appears that Gridserve are in financial trouble which won’t help the roll out of charging points, and those that are rolling out often aren’t delivering the charging speeds claimed because of grid capacity

I am looking forward to paying a total of 4.2p per kWh including standing charge though. That is when I would consider an air source Heat pump and not before.

Your post was an interesting read and more thought provoking for me than throwing soup at paintings or causing traffic hold ups.
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Whatever happened to a Free Market, the basis of our free, democratic and capitalist society.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #44,069
Sbarcher said:
Whatever happened to a Free Market, the basis of our free, democratic and capitalist society.
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Alive and well and installing record amounts of solar and storage

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/texas-kicks-with-solar-storage-developers-eye-profits-2024-04-11/
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #44,070
shmmeee said:
Alive and well and installing record amounts of solar and storage

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/texas-kicks-with-solar-storage-developers-eye-profits-2024-04-11/
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I think he meant in the UK and Europe, not the US.
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #44,071
shmmeee said:
Nothing as weird as people’s maths once they lose an election.

Meanwhile one party has a stinking majority and unbridled power and the other is seemingly likely to be a minority in every vote.

Still, you racists can join the Corbynites for the fantasy electoral system awards I guess.
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Nothing weird about my maths. As you like being walked through things, let me do so now.

Batshit Austrian FPO 29.2% of 74.9% of electorate = 21.9% of electorate votes cast for FPO
Batshit Labour Party 33.7% of 59.8% of electorate = 20.2% of electorate votes cast for Labour.

In fairness the Austrian vote shifted slightly for final results from when I did my initial calculations, but 2% was close enough based on the forecast at the time.

You can fuck off calling me a racist, but I guess it’s the last card of someone who can see so early that this will be a one term Labour government.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #44,072
MalcSB said:
Nothing weird about my maths. As you like being walked through things, let me do so now.

Batshit Austrian FPO 29.2% of 74.9% of electorate = 21.9% of electorate votes cast for FPO
Batshit Labour Party 33.7% of 59.8% of electorate = 20.2% of electorate votes cast for Labour.

In fairness the Austrian vote shifted slightly for final results from when I did my initial calculations, but 2% was close enough based on the forecast at the time.

You can fuck off calling me a racist, but I guess it’s the last card of someone who can see so early that this will be a one term Labour government.
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Fine supporter of a racist party. Whatever. Point is that fringe people always act like there’s some other more legitimate form of democratic power than having a majority of democratically elected representatives.

When Corbyn got bodied it was vote share or total number of votes in a constituency based FPTP system. Now it’s the racists getting 30% in PR but being unable to command a majority.

The election system is what it is and pretending it isn’t ignores the fact that is it wasn’t everyone would act differently and the results would change.
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #44,073
shmmeee said:
Fine supporter of a racist party. Whatever. Point is that fringe people always act like there’s some other more legitimate form of democratic power than having a majority of democratically elected representatives.

When Corbyn got bodied it was vote share or total number of votes in a constituency based FPTP system. Now it’s the racists getting 30% in PR but being unable to command a majority.

The election system is what it is and pretending it isn’t ignores the fact that is it wasn’t everyone would act differently and the results would change.
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Which racist party do I support, oh wise and all seeing one?

The last election was an anti Tory vote, not a pro Labour one. The election system is, as you say, what it is. However it is ridiculous to think the Labour have a national mandate - they don’t. They have less of a mandate than the FPO in Austria. People wanting to punish the Tories will have done it one of four ways - abstention, holding their nose and voting Reform holding their nose even harder and voting Labour or having a giggle and voting Lib Dem, Those wanting to support Labour will have had one choice. This Labour vote is as good as it is going to get and there are already signs of “voters remorse”.

Im not knowledgeable enough about these things, but I doubt that many parties end up with an overall majority in a PR system. To a certain extent, that might be a good thing if coalitions mean that there isn’t flip flopping from one policy to another over time. Having said that, Starmer has managed to do that all by himself.
 
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Como

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #44,074
Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer received an additional £16,000 worth of clothes from Labour peer Lord Alli, it has emerged.

The donations, first reported by the Guardian, were initially declared as money for his private office as leader of the opposition.
The gifts - of £10,000 in October 2023 and £6,000 in February this year - were declared on time, but will now be re-categorised as donations in kind of clothing.

Keir Starmer received more clothes worth £16,000

Downing Street says the way the donations were initially declared has been changed.
www.bbc.com
 

Sbarcher

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #44,075
Big tax bill for BIK?
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #44,076
MalcSB said:
Which racist party do I support, oh wise and all seeing one?

The last election was an anti Tory vote, not a pro Labour one. The election system is, as you say, what it is. However it is ridiculous to think the Labour have a national mandate - they don’t. They have less of a mandate than the FPO in Austria. People wanting to punish the Tories will have done it one of four ways - abstention, holding their nose and voting Reform holding their nose even harder and voting Labour or having a giggle and voting Lib Dem, Those wanting to support Labour will have had one choice. This Labour vote is as good as it is going to get and there are already signs of “voters remorse”.

Im not knowledgeable enough about these things, but I doubt that many parties end up with an overall majority in a PR system. To a certain extent, that might be a good thing if coalitions mean that there isn’t flip flopping from one policy to another over time. Having said that, Starmer has managed to do that all by himself.
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The Austrian one that’s just got the largest vote share. That’s what we’re talking about.

Debate the system all you want, but to claim that a party that hasn’t won power has done better than one that has is ludicrous.
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #44,077
shmmeee said:
The Austrian one that’s just got the largest vote share. That’s what we’re talking about.

Debate the system all you want, but to claim that a party that hasn’t won power has done better than one that has is ludicrous.
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I don’t support a racist party in a foreign country, what utter tosh.

I‘m pointing out that what you described as a batshit party got the support of a larger percentage of their electorate than Labour did. As a consequence, Labour don’t have the national mandate or popular support that their huge majority in the House of Commons suggests and that they are unlikely to get a second term.
 

Ian1779

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #44,078
In the midst of the gloom there’s always a good news story…

 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #44,079
Ian1779 said:
In the midst of the gloom there’s always a good news story…

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Isn’t he a teacher? During a staffing crisis as well.
 

Ian1779

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #44,080
shmmeee said:
Isn’t he a teacher? During a staffing crisis as well.
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Yep he qualified as one.
Should take a job as a supply teacher, I’m sure he’ll be thrilled when some Year 9’s rip the shit out of him.
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #44,081
Ian1779 said:
Yep he qualified as one.
Should take a job as a supply teacher, I’m sure he’ll be thrilled when some Year 9’s rip the shit out of him.
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He'll get a job in private sector won't he?
 

Ian1779

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  • Sep 30, 2024
  • #44,082
wingy said:
He'll get a job in private sector won't he?
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I imagine so - some weird Tory donor will give him a job
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 1, 2024
  • #44,083
Fucking hell!!!
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 1, 2024
  • #44,084
chiefdave said:
Fucking hell!!!
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Hardly a surprise is it, they’ve been sucking up a diet of “Labour does thing every government ever has done but we’re just going to pretend it’s new and shocking” for two months.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 1, 2024
  • #44,085
I mean for fucks sake, this stuff which is just completely made up out of whole cloth and people genuinely believe it.

 
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MalcSB

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  • Oct 1, 2024
  • #44,086
Ian1779 said:
I imagine so - some weird Tory donor will give him a job
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I would have thought private sector jobs will be hard to find once vat is added to fees.
I thought Labour were going to recruit 6,500 more teachers so there should be plenty available in state schools.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 1, 2024
  • #44,087
MalcSB said:
I would have thought private sector jobs will be hard to find once vat is added to fees.
I thought Labour were going to recruit 6,500 more teachers so there should be plenty available in state schools.
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Private schools have been increasing their fees at higher rates than inflation for 14 years at least, likewise they tend to increase fees at a higher rate than teacher salaries.

They’ve been on a gravy train for a long time and certainly have the resources to absorb this charge.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Oct 1, 2024
  • #44,088
shmmeee said:
I mean for fucks sake, this stuff which is just completely made up out of whole cloth and people genuinely believe it.

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People genuinely believed a whole load of bollocks spouted by the Labour Party pre election.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Oct 1, 2024
  • #44,089
MalcSB said:
I would have thought private sector jobs will be hard to find once vat is added to fees.
I thought Labour were going to recruit 6,500 more teachers so there should be plenty available in state schools.
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I can tell you now (as I am pretty sure I also did when it was announced) that this is a nonsense. They aren’t out there because there is zero incentive to go into teaching right now.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Oct 1, 2024
  • #44,090
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Private schools have been increasing their fees at higher rates than inflation for 14 years at least, likewise they tend to increase fees at a higher rate than teacher salaries.

They’ve been on a gravy train for a long time and certainly have the resources to absorb this charge.
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I have no idea how inflation in the education sector compares with general inflation, it may be greater it may be lower. They may be able to absorb some of the increase - 20% seems a lot though.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 1, 2024
  • #44,091
Ian1779 said:
I can tell you now (as I am pretty sure I also did when it was announced) that this is a nonsense. They aren’t out there because there is zero incentive to go into teaching right now.
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I would return if they made substantial reforms to work life balance and school inspections.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 1, 2024
  • #44,092
MalcSB said:
I have no idea how inflation in the education sector compares with general inflation, it may be greater it may be lower. They may be able to absorb some of the increase - 20% seems a lot though.
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If you spend a decade and a half increasing fees at a greater rate than your biggest cost (staff salaries), you’ll have enough in the bank to absorb it.

I know of one major local private school that runs a surplus of nearly £4 million a year but is pleading hardship to the local community. Why? Because it wants to spend money on buildings and facilities, not tax.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Oct 1, 2024
  • #44,093
Ian1779 said:
I can tell you now (as I am pretty sure I also did when it was announced) that this is a nonsense. They aren’t out there because there is zero incentive to go into teaching right now.
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I’m sure it is nonsense - which is part of the reason I mentioned it.

It always amuses me when a government of any political persuasion say they will increase any group of staff by significant numbers because they simply aren’t there - be it doctors, nurses, teachers, radiographers to staff all the additional diagnostic scanners regularly promised etc.

However if that ex Tory mp were to get a teaching job, there would only be 6,499 left to go.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Oct 1, 2024
  • #44,094
MalcSB said:
People genuinely believed a whole load of bollocks spouted by the Labour Party pre election.
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An issue with both Rishi Sunak and indeed Keir Starmer is that they’re both inexperienced and overpromoted in their short careers. Both of them only became MPs in 2015.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 1, 2024
  • #44,095
MalcSB said:
I’m sure it is nonsense - which is part of the reason I mentioned it.

It always amuses me when a government of any political persuasion say they will increase any group of staff by significant numbers because they simply aren’t there - be it doctors, nurses, teachers, radiographers to staff all the additional diagnostic scanners regularly promised etc.

However if that ex Tory mp were to get a teaching job, there would only be 6,499 left to go.
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Not quite, as more will leave the profession this year so you’d need to both replace them and hire another 6500.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 1, 2024
  • #44,096
MalcSB said:
People genuinely believed a whole load of bollocks spouted by the Labour Party pre election.
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Holding policy promises made by politicians and claims made by journalists to the same standard of evidence because I’m a very serious person.
 

MalcSB

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  • Oct 1, 2024
  • #44,097
shmmeee said:
Holding policy promises made by politicians and claims made by journalists to the same standard of evidence because I’m a very serious person.
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As a very serious person, isn’t it a disgrace that people can no more believe a politician than a journalist?

 
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wingy

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  • Oct 1, 2024
  • #44,098
MalcSB said:
As a very serious person, isn’t it a disgrace that people can no more believe a politician than a journalist?

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Depends on the quality of journalists?
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 1, 2024
  • #44,099
MalcSB said:
As a very serious person, isn’t it a disgrace that people can no more believe a politician than a journalist?

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You seem to have posted the wrong video. This is someone saying how tough inflation is on pensioners. You were looking for Starmer promising not to remove universality for WFP.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Oct 1, 2024
  • #44,100
Sir Kier has an alleged super injunction out to stop the press blabbing his secret
 
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