MalcSB
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Over 22% of their electorate voted for the batshit party, only 20% of the UK electorate voted for Labour.
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shmmeee
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Nothing as weird as people’s maths once they lose an election.
Meanwhile one party has a stinking majority and unbridled power and the other is seemingly likely to be a minority in every vote.
Still, you racists can join the Corbynites for the fantasy electoral system awards I guess.
Sbarcher
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Whatever happened to a Free Market, the basis of our free, democratic and capitalist society.
shmmeee
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Alive and well and installing record amounts of solar and storage
MalcSB
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I think he meant in the UK and Europe, not the US.Alive and well and installing record amounts of solar and storage
MalcSB
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Nothing weird about my maths. As you like being walked through things, let me do so now.
Batshit Austrian FPO 29.2% of 74.9% of electorate = 21.9% of electorate votes cast for FPO
Batshit Labour Party 33.7% of 59.8% of electorate = 20.2% of electorate votes cast for Labour.
In fairness the Austrian vote shifted slightly for final results from when I did my initial calculations, but 2% was close enough based on the forecast at the time.
You can fuck off calling me a racist, but I guess it’s the last card of someone who can see so early that this will be a one term Labour government.
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shmmeee
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Fine supporter of a racist party. Whatever. Point is that fringe people always act like there’s some other more legitimate form of democratic power than having a majority of democratically elected representatives.
When Corbyn got bodied it was vote share or total number of votes in a constituency based FPTP system. Now it’s the racists getting 30% in PR but being unable to command a majority.
The election system is what it is and pretending it isn’t ignores the fact that is it wasn’t everyone would act differently and the results would change.
MalcSB
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Which racist party do I support, oh wise and all seeing one?
The last election was an anti Tory vote, not a pro Labour one. The election system is, as you say, what it is. However it is ridiculous to think the Labour have a national mandate - they don’t. They have less of a mandate than the FPO in Austria. People wanting to punish the Tories will have done it one of four ways - abstention, holding their nose and voting Reform holding their nose even harder and voting Labour or having a giggle and voting Lib Dem, Those wanting to support Labour will have had one choice. This Labour vote is as good as it is going to get and there are already signs of “voters remorse”.
Im not knowledgeable enough about these things, but I doubt that many parties end up with an overall majority in a PR system. To a certain extent, that might be a good thing if coalitions mean that there isn’t flip flopping from one policy to another over time. Having said that, Starmer has managed to do that all by himself.
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Como
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Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer received an additional £16,000 worth of clothes from Labour peer Lord Alli, it has emerged.
The donations, first reported by the Guardian, were initially declared as money for his private office as leader of the opposition.
The gifts - of £10,000 in October 2023 and £6,000 in February this year - were declared on time, but will now be re-categorised as donations in kind of clothing.
www.bbc.com
The donations, first reported by the Guardian, were initially declared as money for his private office as leader of the opposition.
The gifts - of £10,000 in October 2023 and £6,000 in February this year - were declared on time, but will now be re-categorised as donations in kind of clothing.
Keir Starmer received more clothes worth £16,000
Downing Street says the way the donations were initially declared has been changed.
www.bbc.com
shmmeee
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The Austrian one that’s just got the largest vote share. That’s what we’re talking about.
Debate the system all you want, but to claim that a party that hasn’t won power has done better than one that has is ludicrous.
MalcSB
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I don’t support a racist party in a foreign country, what utter tosh.
I‘m pointing out that what you described as a batshit party got the support of a larger percentage of their electorate than Labour did. As a consequence, Labour don’t have the national mandate or popular support that their huge majority in the House of Commons suggests and that they are unlikely to get a second term.
shmmeee
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Ian1779
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Yep he qualified as one.
Should take a job as a supply teacher, I’m sure he’ll be thrilled when some Year 9’s rip the shit out of him.
He'll get a job in private sector won't he?
Ian1779
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I imagine so - some weird Tory donor will give him a job
shmmeee
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Hardly a surprise is it, they’ve been sucking up a diet of “Labour does thing every government ever has done but we’re just going to pretend it’s new and shocking” for two months.
MalcSB
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I would have thought private sector jobs will be hard to find once vat is added to fees.
I thought Labour were going to recruit 6,500 more teachers so there should be plenty available in state schools.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Private schools have been increasing their fees at higher rates than inflation for 14 years at least, likewise they tend to increase fees at a higher rate than teacher salaries.
They’ve been on a gravy train for a long time and certainly have the resources to absorb this charge.
MalcSB
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People genuinely believed a whole load of bollocks spouted by the Labour Party pre election.
Ian1779
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I can tell you now (as I am pretty sure I also did when it was announced) that this is a nonsense. They aren’t out there because there is zero incentive to go into teaching right now.
MalcSB
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I have no idea how inflation in the education sector compares with general inflation, it may be greater it may be lower. They may be able to absorb some of the increase - 20% seems a lot though.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I would return if they made substantial reforms to work life balance and school inspections.
Brighton Sky Blue
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If you spend a decade and a half increasing fees at a greater rate than your biggest cost (staff salaries), you’ll have enough in the bank to absorb it.
I know of one major local private school that runs a surplus of nearly £4 million a year but is pleading hardship to the local community. Why? Because it wants to spend money on buildings and facilities, not tax.
MalcSB
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I’m sure it is nonsense - which is part of the reason I mentioned it.
It always amuses me when a government of any political persuasion say they will increase any group of staff by significant numbers because they simply aren’t there - be it doctors, nurses, teachers, radiographers to staff all the additional diagnostic scanners regularly promised etc.
However if that ex Tory mp were to get a teaching job, there would only be 6,499 left to go.
Mucca Mad Boys
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An issue with both Rishi Sunak and indeed Keir Starmer is that they’re both inexperienced and overpromoted in their short careers. Both of them only became MPs in 2015.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Not quite, as more will leave the profession this year so you’d need to both replace them and hire another 6500.
shmmeee
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Holding policy promises made by politicians and claims made by journalists to the same standard of evidence because I’m a very serious person.
MalcSB
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As a very serious person, isn’t it a disgrace that people can no more believe a politician than a journalist?
Depends on the quality of journalists?
shmmeee
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You seem to have posted the wrong video. This is someone saying how tough inflation is on pensioners. You were looking for Starmer promising not to remove universality for WFP.
Gynnsthetonic
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Sir Kier has an alleged super injunction out to stop the press blabbing his secret 