MalcSB
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Hence the euthanasia debate. Start with voluntary and then ………..
Hence the euthanasia debate. Start with voluntary and then ………..If you kill them off they can't vote for the tories
Sorry @MalcSB, that was sarcasm… you are right though on this.Another would be to repatriate the 1% of the population who are illegal immigrants and reduce the 1% added to the population by the legal immigrants.
So maybe then bothering to make traditionally poorly paid and treated professions the opposite, and giving a shit about state education, are places for this government to focus on.Sorry @MalcSB, that was sarcasm… you are right though on this.
The OBR released statistics on the financial impact of low skilled immigration, which is defined as earning less than median salary. It’s a net cost of £150,000 per person who entered the country at 25 and stayed until they claimed the state pension. The cost rises to up to £500,000 by 80 and £1,000,000 if they lived to 100. By contrast, British born-workers will add £280,000 to the treasury. High skilled migration has a net benefit to the treasury on the same metrics - even up to 100. These stats are from the OBR and whilst their ability as forecaster is patchy at best, it isn’t exactly a far right head case ‘think tank’ and really lays bare the costs of this on public purse.
This does not include the impacts on public services, crime levels and availability of housing and so on. So the costs of low-skilled migration in particular needs to be addressed.
If we don’t get a grip on it and the traditional parties unable to make progress on this we really risk some ugly parties developing in the UK.
Well, that’s a problem when these professions are government employees…So maybe then bothering to make traditionally poorly paid and treated professions the opposite, and giving a shit about state education, are places for this government to focus on.
Sorry @MalcSB, that was sarcasm… you are right though on this.
The OBR released statistics on the financial impact of low skilled immigration, which is defined as earning less than median salary. It’s a net cost of £150,000 per person who entered the country at 25 and stayed until they claimed the state pension. The cost rises to up to £500,000 by 80 and £1,000,000 if they lived to 100. By contrast, British born-workers will add £280,000 to the treasury. High skilled migration has a net benefit to the treasury on the same metrics - even up to 100. These stats are from the OBR and whilst their ability as forecaster is patchy at best, it isn’t exactly a far right head case ‘think tank’ and really lays bare the costs of this on public purse.
This does not include the impacts on public services, crime levels and availability of housing and so on. So the costs of low-skilled migration in particular needs to be addressed.
If we don’t get a grip on it and the traditional parties unable to make progress on this we really risk some ugly parties developing in the UK.
Not quite following the figures quoted here (although not directly disputing them!). How is there an attached cost to lower-income immigrants in comparison to lower-income indigenous? Are there running costs to immigration that I’m unaware of? Do they disproportionately access public services?
There probably isn’t a difference. However, you can stop/ reduce legal immigration and hence effectively importing those costs. Also illegal immigration needs to be stopped with repatriation.Not quite following the figures quoted here (although not directly disputing them!). How is there an attached cost to lower-income immigrants in comparison to lower-income indigenous? Are there running costs to immigration that I’m unaware of? Do they disproportionately access public services?
This just reminds me of Peep Show when Mark has been told to sack Sophie:Hence the euthanasia debate. Start with voluntary and then ………..
There probably isn’t a difference. However, you can stop/ reduce legal immigration and hence effectively importing those costs. Also illegal immigration needs to be stopped with repatriation.
It is often argued that there is an economic benefit from legal immigration. What the figures are showing is that this is not always the case in so far as low skilled immigrants are concerned, As far as I can see, low skilled indigenous population will still have those costs associated with them k however they are indigenous and there is no choice about them. There is a choice when it comes to immigration.The numbers seem to suggest there is a difference, unless I’m reading it wrong.
It is often argued that there is an economic benefit from legal immigration. What the figures are showing is that this is not always the case in so far as low skilled immigrants are concerned, As far as I can see, low skilled indigenous population will still have those costs associated with them k however they are indigenous and there is no choice about them. There is a choice when it comes to immigration.
I read somewhere that in Denmark, which has been held up as a paragon of virtue with respect to immigration, they have identified higher criminal activity - 2.4 times the rate of indigenous Danes -being associated with immigrants there. This was in the context that such statistics are not published in the UK as debate around immigration and its consequences generally descends in to accusations of racism.
Growth?And today’s Black hole created by the Tories …………..
Any growth will claimed by StarmergeddonGrowth?
Well he's getting all the brickbats after all?Any growth will claimed by Starmergeddon
New clothes that someone else boughtWell he's getting all the brickbats after all?
But he's a target and that's fair enough really, take rough with the smooth, he's just wearing New clothes, same old story!
Better than I thought they’d be
Can’t wait for reaction to the budget.
But no where as good as you thought they would be on 5th July?Better than I thought they’d be
Not sure what I expectedBut no where as good as you thought they would be on 5th July?
tbf what the ministers said was absolutely spot on so no surprise to see they've been rebuked by Starmer who has chosen to side with the billionaires over the workersIs a government whose ministers have put a £1billion investment at risk competent? I think not. IIf only they had been offered a free cruise.
P&O Ferries’ owner pulls news of £1bn port investment after ministers criticise firm
Transport secretary denounced DP World over mass sackings while bringing in protections for workers at seawww.theguardian.com
If only we had a government with a huge mandate that could make some radical decisions and improve the quality of life for millions….Not sure what I expected
I fully expect reform or another populist party to win the next election and destroy all that we hold dear by encouraging the populous to fear others (doesn’t matter who) and blame others (doesn’t matter who) for their problems with no meaningful answers
Society has gone to shit
It will never happen.If only we had a government with a huge mandate that could make some radical decisions and improve the quality of life for millions….
Dorothy Perkins not to your taste then?I've just googled DP world and what I found was not what I expected, bloody disgusting.
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I've just googled DP world and what I found was not what I expected, bloody disgusting.
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It is, but there’s so many entrances it gets full very quickly.DP World sounds like a great all inclusive resort tho.
Similar to the price to throw pensioners under the bus.Seems there is now a price tag on government sticking up for employees, and that is a billion pound.
Throwing your Transport Secretary under the bus at the same time, not a good look!
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