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[MalcSB]

26% of the electorate voted for the Tories in 2019 but you were happy for them to do 'pretty much what they want to'

These are the sourest of sour grapes I'm afraid.

And you're getting a taste (maybe more than a taste by the sounds of it!) of how the rest of us have felt for the last 14 years.

26% is significantly more than 20%.

Nowhere have I said I was happy for them to do pretty much what they wanted to. It could be argued that they weren't actually able to do what they wanted to.

 

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[MalcSB]

I agree with her there’s something not good about denigrating our democratic process
Same with trump and his fans in 2020

Great, you agree that there should have been no attempts to interfere with Brexit and Starmer should absolutely respect the result of the referendum - to the letter and in spirit.

The pointless petition is up to 2,116,000 now.

 

[Como]

What has happened and why is something for the Historians, far far too late now to change it.

The future looks nasty, quite how it will go, well who knows. I certainly can see the demise of both the current major parties.

 

[chiefdave]

Great, you agree that there should have been no attempts to interfere with Brexit and Starmer should absolutely respect the result of the referendum - to the letter and in spirit.

What does 'in spirit' mean because it sounds a bit like a catchall for anything you don't agree with

 

[MalcSB]

The revoke Brexit petition got like 7m signatures so presumably you lads think we should still be in the EU if petitions hold such weight.

6,103,056 signatories over the 6 months is the one I've just looked up.

The consequent debate was lively! Including some debate about whether an MP had accused another one of being dishonest.

 

[MalcSB]

What does 'in spirit' mean because it sounds a bit like a catchall for anything you don't agree with

It means, for example, not going back and renegotiating, not paying the EU any fees, not being subservient to the ECHR. The "spirit" was/ is, in my view, about being able to act as a sovereign nation.

And obviously anything I don't agree with

 

[MalcSB]

I don't like this Labour government so far as much as the next man, but I know you like statistics about the popular mandate.

The petition has been signed by 1.66% of voters, it's an irrelevance

It's about 5% now. With best part of 6 months to go. It would be entirely possible to end up with >20% by the time the petition closes.

Im sure it is ultimately an irrelevance. The debate will be interesting - will Keir even be here and will he be dismissive in that really irritating way that he has. As he has said in the past, he doesn't need to take lectures from the likes of us!!

 

[PVA]

26% is significantly more than 20%.

Nowhere have I said I was happy for them to do pretty much what they wanted to. It could be argued that they weren't actually able to do what they wanted to.

Since when have we measured a vote against electorate rather than turnout anyway?

Why should we include the people who couldn't be bothered to vote in the democratic result? They had their chance to have a say, they chose not to.

And if you're going to use that criteria then you have to accept there was no mandate for Brexit (or for anything or anyone ever!).

 

[Nick]

How's this new world under Labour going? The bubbly still flowing?

 

[PVA]

How's this new world under Labour going? The bubbly still flowing?

Yes because 14 years of destroying the country bit by bit has all been undone in just a few months

 

[Nick]

Yes because 14 years of destroying the country bit by bit has all been undone in just a few months

Looks like they saw the country was on fire and threw petrol all over it instead of water.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Wonder if this dickhead was just no his way back from Westminster at the time:

Police investigate tractor that created ‘devastating’ wave in flooded UK town

Vehicle drove water into businesses in Tenbury Wells, which local people say smashed windows and opened doors

www.theguardian.com

 

[PVA]

Looks like they saw the country was on fire and threw petrol all over it instead of water.

If you read the Daily Mail then yes that's what they've done.

 

[chiefdave]

The debate will be interesting - will Keir even be here and will he be dismissive in that really irritating way that he has.

I think you need to downgrade your expectations and look at what's happened to petitions that have reached the threshold in the past. Firstly there's no guarantee of a debate, the threshold merely means the petitions committee will consider it for a debate. They could turn round and say this is a waste of parliament's time as we know what the laws on calling a general election are.

If they do schedule a debate it is unlikely to be in the main chamber. It will be a handful of people in a meeting room, similar to when we used to be told Coventry City were going to be debated in parliament and it would be one of our local MPs saying a few words with about 3 people in attendance.

You can go on the petitions committee site and see how it works and there's links to videos of previous debates, here's one as an example:

Parliamentlive.tv

Westminster Hall

parliamentlive.tv