Do you want to discuss boring politics? (10 Viewers)

[MalcSB]

The classroom collapse was some way into the Tory government. Blair’s huge failing was to promote academisation which has significantly increased the waste of education funding. If Starmer wanted to save money and improve education outcomes he could return all schools to local authority control.

I don’t bloody believe it, you have suggested that Labour can get things wrong!!!

Including wasting taxpayers’ money.

 

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[MalcSB]

The classroom collapse was some way into the Tory government. Blair’s huge failing was to promote academisation which has significantly increased the waste of education funding. If Starmer wanted to save money and improve education outcomes he could return all schools to local authority control.

You must have been a very young teacher.

 

[shmmeee]

14 years
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14 years

Christ nearly every post.

First, it's about what they're going to do, not what someone else did. Second, we started with a coalition post recession and austerity was required. The next term was post Brexit and things had started turn when Covid hit, consequently not only furlough payments but lots of worldwide issues. Im not even pretending that they were blameles and im not defending lots of the things they did, but to keep blaming them for 14 years austerity is inaccurate and not a fair representation.

What we need now is a plan, not excuses.

lol. Mate the austerity fucked us royally. Tory ideology only works if you’ve got lots of family silver to sell to pay the bills. Once you run out of public assets to strip it’s just managed decline.

 

[shmmeee]

The classroom collapse was some way into the Tory government. Blair’s huge failing was to promote academisation which has significantly increased the waste of education funding. If Starmer wanted to save money and improve education outcomes he could return all schools to local authority control.

Even that though it was Cameron that supercharged it. Whatever your concerns about academies surely they pale in comparison to dodgy schools set up in office blocks that fail halfway through GCSEs half the time.

 

[MalcSB]

Is there any actual data for this? It seems some bloke on YouTube has set you off on one but I can't really find much solid data to back up the claims.

to be fair not spent a significant amount of time on it but a quick google suggests there has been no increase in the rate of private school closures since the chance and the rate of new private schools opening has slightly increased. Of course schools that have closed have been happy to throw the blame on Labour but would you not expect the rate of closures to increase if it was having a significant impact?

also seems there has been an assessment of how many pupils are expected to move to the state sector, representing less than 0.1% of school pupils, and plans made for that as well as contingency planning for a worse case scenario.

what other plans would you expect to be in place?

Adequate arrangements at LA level to respond to parents queries. Or to have delayed implementation until next academic year. So fucking simple but beyond the son of a toolmaker.

 

[shmmeee]

Adequate arrangements at LA level to respond to parents queries. Or to have delayed implementation until next academic year. So fucking simple but beyond the son of a toolmaker.

LAs have fuck all to do with placement planning these days. All down to the MATs really.

 

[MalcSB]

lol. Mate the austerity fucked us royally. Tory ideology only works if you’ve got lots of family silver to sell to pay the bills. Once you run out of public assets to strip it’s just managed decline.

How much of the nations gold did Brown sell at a rock bottom price? Mate.
Labour ideology only really works if they have got enough of someone else’s family silver to sell to pay the bills.
once the rich get fed up with that, they will do what they did before and fuck off abroad, taking their tax liabilities with them and funding some other nations debt.

 

[shmmeee]

How much of the nations gold did Brown sell at a rock bottom price? Mate.

Nothing like as much as the value of utilities and data that the Tories gave away. Harping on about the stuff you do really marks you out as a Daily Mail parrot and not much more. Like a Temu Grendel. V boring to discuss with.

Browns gold sell off cost at most £2bn. A drop in the ocean compared to any year you’d like to pick from the last 14, yet you’re still harping on about it because you’ve been told to. Buy an independent thought FFS.

 

[MalcSB]

LAs have fuck all to do with placement planning these days. All down to the MATs really.

You clearly know more about this stuff than I do. So, quick tweak to my post, ensure the MATs are adequately signposted and resourced to respond to parents queries.

What is a mat? other than something you wipe your shoes in

 

[MalcSB]

Nothing like as much as the value of utilities and data that the Tories gave away. Harping on about the stuff you do really marks you out as a Daily Mail parrot and not much more. Like a Temu Grendel. V boring to discuss with.

Browns gold sell off cost at most £2bn. A drop in the ocean compared to any year you’d like to pick from the last 14, yet you’re still harping on about it because you’ve been told to. Buy an independent thought FFS.

I haven’t been told to say anything by anyone. I’m not sure you are abundantly forthcoming with independent thought either, it’s all just Labour Lists propaganda. I wonder what that gold would have been worth today. I also wonder how big the Labour blackhole legacy was 14 years ago.

You arent really discussing anything anyway, just spouting the sound bites. I am getting pretty bored with you myself actually. I’m not allowed to repeat myself, you apparently are.

 

[MalcSB]

Lunch and breakfast should be free at school for age 5-16

No such thing as a free lunch

 

[MalcSB]

Nothing like as much as the value of utilities and data that the Tories gave away. Harping on about the stuff you do really marks you out as a Daily Mail parrot and not much more. Like a Temu Grendel. V boring to discuss with.

Browns gold sell off cost at most £2bn. A drop in the ocean compared to any year you’d like to pick from the last 14, yet you’re still harping on about it because you’ve been told to. Buy an independent thought FFS.

Just found an article in Bullion by Post suggesting that Brown lost £8.3 billion ( more than a little more than you have suggested), and that the gold would be worth £12.9 billion more today than he got for it.

Which independent source told you to say £2billion?

FFS Mate.

 

[skybluetony176]

Just found an article in Bullion by Post suggesting that Brown lost £8.3 billion ( more than a little more than you have suggested), and that the gold would be worth £12.9 billion more today than he got for it.

Which independent source told you to say £2billion?

FFS Mate.

You should read your own article. He lost £100m. The £8.3b relates to gold prices 8 years after the sale. From the point when it was decided to sell and sale finalised he lost £100m due to the decision to sell it in several lots. By the end of selling the lots he would have made more had he done it in a single sale in the first place. At the time of sale gold prices were fairly static, the loss was down to the volume and a slight fluctuation in price. Comparing it to what it would have sold for a decade or two later is irrelevant. We also wasn’t doing anything out of the ordinary, other western governments were doing it at the same time. It’s just repeated lazy nonsense from the right wing press regurgitated typically around election time. They’ll be reporting it again in 4 years and guess what? The amount reported Brown “lost” will go up again, because it will be based on current market prices. The fact is gold always goes up in time of trouble such as world banking crash, a worldwide pandemic or a war effecting.

Any thoughts on Thatcher selling off North Sea oil? Brown’s gold pails into insignificance in comparison. We could have had a wealth fund like Norway or Netherlands, Thatcher made a fast buck of it instead of using the black gold to invest in the UK long term. Crude oil is over double what it was when she sold it off. Your piss must be boiling in the knowledge she’s lost the country billions every year since. That’s actual money lost as well. Money that could have been spent on education, healthcare and infrastructure. Not gold sat in a vault collecting dust. Of course you won’t read about that though, not in the publications you read anyway.

 

[rob9872]

lol. Mate the austerity fucked us royally. Tory ideology only works if you’ve got lots of family silver to sell to pay the bills. Once you run out of public assets to strip it’s just managed decline.

It was after a worldwide recession and significant quantitative easing. We couldn't simply carry on and measures had to be taken. The Economic theory that you can simply invest your way out of a hole is about as reliable as putting it on red because it was black last time.

 

[MalcSB]

You should read your own article. He lost £100m. The £8.3b relates to gold prices 8 years after the sale. From the point when it was decided to sell and sale finalised he lost £100m due to the decision to sell it in several lots. By the end of selling the lots he would have made more had he done it in a single sale in the first place. At the time of sale gold prices were fairly static, the loss was down to the volume and a slight fluctuation in price. Comparing it to what it would have sold for a decade or two later is irrelevant. We also wasn’t doing anything out of the ordinary, other western governments were doing it at the same time. It’s just repeated lazy nonsense from the right wing press regurgitated typically around election time. They’ll be reporting it again in 4 years and guess what? The amount reported Brown “lost” will go up again, because it will be based on current market prices. The fact is gold always goes up in time of trouble such as world banking crash, a worldwide pandemic or a war effecting.

Any thoughts on Thatcher selling off North Sea oil? Brown’s gold pails into insignificance in comparison. We could have had a wealth fund like Norway or Netherlands, Thatcher made a fast buck of it instead of using the black gold to invest in the UK long term. Crude oil is over double what it was when she sold it off. Your piss must be boiling in the knowledge she’s lost the country billions every year since. That’s actual money lost as well. Money that could have been spent on education, healthcare and infrastructure. Not gold sat in a vault collecting dust. Of course you won’t read about that though, not in the publications you read anyway.

It’s interesting that when I have referred to oil revenues in the past I’ve been told that’s not how the market works, so I shut up about it. To have retained the gold and it now be at that value would surely have been helpful. To a certain extent the fact he sold it perhaps is something of an illustration of how bad things were globally in those days. Inherited by the coalition and leading to austerity.
We will never know what would have happened if Brown had timed the election better. We may have had 14 years of Labour austerity.
Thanks for reading the article, entitled “The worst deal in UK history?” And for pointing out my miscomprehension of it.
In my defence I was diagnosed with a brain tumour a fortnight before Christmas. Given the impact of the “essential” increase in employers NI contributions on charities, perhaps all you collectivists would consider a small donation to

Make a donation

Your donations to The Brain Tumour Charity make a real difference to the lives of people affected by a brain tumour and brain cancer.

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[MalcSB]

You should read your own article. He lost £100m. The £8.3b relates to gold prices 8 years after the sale. From the point when it was decided to sell and sale finalised he lost £100m due to the decision to sell it in several lots. By the end of selling the lots he would have made more had he done it in a single sale in the first place. At the time of sale gold prices were fairly static, the loss was down to the volume and a slight fluctuation in price. Comparing it to what it would have sold for a decade or two later is irrelevant. We also wasn’t doing anything out of the ordinary, other western governments were doing it at the same time. It’s just repeated lazy nonsense from the right wing press regurgitated typically around election time. They’ll be reporting it again in 4 years and guess what? The amount reported Brown “lost” will go up again, because it will be based on current market prices. The fact is gold always goes up in time of trouble such as world banking crash, a worldwide pandemic or a war effecting.

Any thoughts on Thatcher selling off North Sea oil? Brown’s gold pails into insignificance in comparison. We could have had a wealth fund like Norway or Netherlands, Thatcher made a fast buck of it instead of using the black gold to invest in the UK long term. Crude oil is over double what it was when she sold it off. Your piss must be boiling in the knowledge she’s lost the country billions every year since. That’s actual money lost as well. Money that could have been spent on education, healthcare and infrastructure. Not gold sat in a vault collecting dust. Of course you won’t read about that though, not in the publications you read anyway.

I don’t see why comparing something with a decade later is fundamentally different to banging on about 14 years TBH. But then, I wouldn’t- would I.

 

[MalcSB]

Oops, another Labour cockup from Blair Era.

And yet boomers and Tories get blamed for the housing crisis. (Although Rayner said there are plenty of houses)

Blair was urged to delay rights for new EU workers, files reveal

Newly-released files show ministers had concerns about more workers coming to the UK when the EU expanded.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You must have been a very young teacher.

About 26

 

[Sick Boy]

It’s interesting that when I have referred to oil revenues in the past I’ve been told that’s not how the market works, so I shut up about it. To have retained the gold and it now be at that value would surely have been helpful. To a certain extent the fact he sold it perhaps is something of an illustration of how bad things were globally in those days. Inherited by the coalition and leading to austerity.
We will never know what would have happened if Brown had timed the election better. We may have had 14 years of Labour austerity.
Thanks for reading the article, entitled “The worst deal in UK history?” And for pointing out my miscomprehension of it.
In my defence I was diagnosed with a brain tumour a fortnight before Christmas. Given the impact of the “essential” increase in employers NI contributions on charities, perhaps all you collectivists would consider a small donation to

Make a donation

Your donations to The Brain Tumour Charity make a real difference to the lives of people affected by a brain tumour and brain cancer.

www.thebraintumourcharity.org

sorry to hear that.

 

[MalcSB]

About 26

You are older now than I thought you were

 

[MalcSB]

Triggered again, I’m afraid.

What a bunch of wasters with skewed priorities, at least this guy is trying to hold them to account.

@shmmeee mate, give him longer than 5 seconds.

 

[shmmeee]

It’s interesting that when I have referred to oil revenues in the past I’ve been told that’s not how the market works, so I shut up about it. To have retained the gold and it now be at that value would surely have been helpful. To a certain extent the fact he sold it perhaps is something of an illustration of how bad things were globally in those days. Inherited by the coalition and leading to austerity.
We will never know what would have happened if Brown had timed the election better. We may have had 14 years of Labour austerity.
Thanks for reading the article, entitled “The worst deal in UK history?” And for pointing out my miscomprehension of it.
In my defence I was diagnosed with a brain tumour a fortnight before Christmas. Given the impact of the “essential” increase in employers NI contributions on charities, perhaps all you collectivists would consider a small donation to

Make a donation

Your donations to The Brain Tumour Charity make a real difference to the lives of people affected by a brain tumour and brain cancer.

www.thebraintumourcharity.org

Missed this. Sorry to hear man. Donation made.

 

[MalcSB]

Missed this. Sorry to hear man. Donation made.

Thanks so much, very kind of you.

No more Premier Packages for me, or may be even standard ST. Not allowed to drive

 

[shmmeee]

Triggered again, I’m afraid.

What a bunch of wasters with skewed priorities, at least this guy is trying to hold them to account.

@shmmeee mate, give him longer than 5 seconds.

Sorry WASPI is the least deserving cause ever in UK politics. The fact every politician had to suck up to them, including Corbyn torpedoing his manifesto just for them is ridiculous and like school fees and inheritance tax is only an issue because it affect upper middle class Telegraph writers.

 

[MalcSB]

Sorry WASPI is the least deserving cause ever in UK politics. The fact every politician had to suck up to them, including Corbyn torpedoing his manifesto just for them is ridiculous and like school fees and inheritance tax is only an issue because it affect upper middle class Telegraph writers.

I’m pretty sure it affects any woman with the requisite NI contributions so not limited to middle class. You are totally obsessed with a class war.
The fucking energy companies should be making their own investments, not taking handouts from Eddie.

Yet again, they have said one thing in opposition and done a handbrake turn having conned their way in to government.

They won’t get another term, will they?

 

[shmmeee]

I’m pretty sure it affects any woman with the requisite NI contributions so not limited to middle class.

Yeah sure. But the media campaign around it is because it affects upper middle class women. Look at the stories about how “I had to sell the second home early and take up Reiki” and stuff.

You don’t deserve compensation for changes to benefits that are telegraphed fifteen years ahead of time and the only reason they weren’t laughed out the room on first sight was because of the demographics of those complaining.

 

[MalcSB]

Yeah sure. But the media campaign around it is because it affects upper middle class women. Look at the stories about how “I had to sell the second home early and take up Reiki” and stuff.

You don’t deserve compensation for changes to benefits that are telegraphed fifteen years ahead of time and the only reason they weren’t laughed out the room on first sight was because of the demographics of those complaining.

The media choose what and how to cover stuff, unfortunately. This will affect my wife.

If only we had a second house somewhere!

 

[shmmeee]

The media choose what and how to cover stuff, unfortunately. This will affect my wife.

And I’m sorry that her benefits changed. I’ve had mates reliant on benefits that have changed again and again and there’s never been a hint of a discussion of compensation for them. But unequal retirement ages for men and women was an anachronism.

 

[rob9872]

Thanks so much, very kind of you.

No more Premier Packages for me, or may be even standard ST. Not allowed to drive

Where do you live Malc? I'm sure between us we can get you to games.

 

[MalcSB]

Yeah sure. But the media campaign around it is because it affects upper middle class women. Look at the stories about how “I had to sell the second home early and take up Reiki” and stuff.

You don’t deserve compensation for changes to benefits that are telegraphed fifteen years ahead of time and the only reason they weren’t laughed out the room on first sight was because of the demographics of those complaining.

Actually you have finally made me flip. This will badly affect my wife when I’m gone, so you can fuck off with your holier than thou political soundbites, ignoring the tricks, lies and flip flopping that your lords and masters have shown themselves to be so adept at. If on,y they were half as good at the actual government bit.

You constantly smear the majority with a thin veneer of the minority. Fuck knows what going on in your world, but I’m afraid I am coming to the conclusion that you are a bit of a c**t.

 

[MalcSB]

Where do you live Malc? I'm sure between us we can get you to games.

That is a very kind thought.

Near Newark, Nottinghamshire. It’s not just getting there, my wife is very nervous of me being in crowds and either becoming very unsteady or terribly vague and confused at precisely the wrong time.

I need to see how I am after my operation on Thursday, and then some chemo and radio therapies.

 

[MalcSB]

And I’m sorry that her benefits changed. I’ve had mates reliant on benefits that have changed again and again and there’s never been a hint of a discussion of compensation for them. But unequal retirement ages for men and women was an anachronism.

Unequal ages was an anachronism, but then the issue seems to have been how addressing that was handled.

This is / was a contribution based so called benefit (so called for a reason) with clearly defined criteria. Like many, my entitlement age moved a couple of years - my wife‘s has moved by 8. When I’m gone she will get a reduced widows occupational pension and completely lose my state pension. Yet more thousands I have paid in to for very little benefit.

The Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman found in their favour, it’s obviously fine to ignore them.

Fucking bastarding cunts the lot of them.

 

[MalcSB]

Yeah sure. But the media campaign around it is because it affects upper middle class women. Look at the stories about how “I had to sell the second home early and take up Reiki” and stuff.

You don’t deserve compensation for changes to benefits that are telegraphed fifteen years ahead of time and the only reason they weren’t laughed out the room on first sight was because of the demographics of those complaining.

Badly telegraphed apparently, Ombudsman found in their favour.
By demographics do you mean old women?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Triggered again, I’m afraid.

What a bunch of wasters with skewed priorities, at least this guy is trying to hold them to account.

@shmmeee mate, give him longer than 5 seconds.

Sammy Wilson is right on the substance of that, though it is a shame that his own party made NI suffer from a lack of government because of their own petty childishness.

 

[MalcSB]

Badly telegraphed apparently, Ombudsman found in their favour.
By demographics do you mean old women?

Yeah sure. But the media campaign around it is because it affects upper middle class women. Look at the stories about how “I had to sell the second home early and take up Reiki” and stuff.

You don’t deserve compensation for changes to benefits that are telegraphed fifteen years ahead of time and the only reason they weren’t laughed out the room on first sight was because of the demographics of those complaining.

How on earth did people get compensated for PPI misspelling all those years later?