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[CCFCSteve]

Isn’t the point that Boris needs Hancock for the enquiry so Hancock doesn’t also hang him out to dry? No honour amongst thieves and all that. If MHancock is no longer in the team who would he be protecting other than himself? I doubt his ego will allow him to not use the enquiry as an opportunity to try and rebuild his own personal reputation.

But the info from scientists advisors, SAGE group minutes etc etc will tell the story. If Johnson has only got Hancock covering his back then he’s fucked anyway (Hancock’s got no credibility etc).

If Hancock leaves now he might even be back in the cabinet by the time of the inquiry….I know a few on here will be clambering for him to be made Education Secretary !

 

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[wingy]

But the info from scientists advisors, SAGE group minutes etc etc will tell the story. If Johnson has only got Hancock covering his back then he’s fucked anyway (Hancock’s got no credibility etc).

If Hancock leaves now he might even be back in the cabinet by the time of the inquiry….I know a few on here will be clambering for him to be made Education Secretary !

I'd normally go along with the last bit Steve but competence wise I don't see this lad becoming resurgent.
I just see Pike from Dad's Army.

 

[lifeskyblue]

I'd normally go along with the last bit Steve but compitence wise I don't see this lad becoming resurgent.
I just see Pike from Dad's Army.

You are doing Pike a disservice…Hancock is not merely a ‘stupid boy’


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[Deleted member 5849]

Apart from anything else, unless he resigns and adopts a low profile for a long time, he couldn't be taken seriously in any interview. All you'd be able to focus on on is "what a cock" (yes, yes..}. I know Boris needs him for the inquiry, but he would be seriously damaging his party if he didn't have him resign.

I'm really not so sure. If I were a scriptwriter for the Thick of It, he'd be providing a valuable service hanging around...

 

[Grendel]

I'm really not so sure. If I were a scriptwriter for the Thick of It, he'd be providing a valuable service hanging around...

Which is why thatcher kept on Gummer but there becomes a point where it tips into overall negativity

It’s one calamity after another with Hancock - he will resurface again but for now time to go

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Which is why thatcher kept on Gummer but there becomes a point where it tips into overall negativity

It’s one calamity after another with Hancock - he will resurface again but for now time to go

tbh, my conspiracy theory (and it avoides judgements here, as I really don't want it to tip over into t'other thread!!) is similar to Cummings.

At that point, certain sectors of the population were quite happy sitting at home, not enthused by eating out to help out, going on holiday etc. What you need to do is change the collective psyche a little, and one way of doing that is to loosen those chains where people follow authority fairly literally. Once Cummings tested his eyesight, there was a discernable shift where people weren't as worried about following rules literally, as he hadn't after all.

We're in a similar position now. Hancock can serve a purpose in just loosening those psychological chains ever so slightly, showing that rules are there to be bent and, when they loosen more, it encourages people to take advantage of those loosened rules rather than self-selecting.

In that way... Hancock can provide a service. You *then* move him away, and he either ends up the patsy for errors, or the blame if you need to re-introduce restrictions down the line. Meanwhile, his authority is damaged so he doesn't get any attention paid to him if he butts againstt the government.

The political (small p) move might be to keep him there, given the stage we're at.

(Of course what's more likely is that he's a hopelessly incompetent insincere buffoon who has no grasp of the role he's supposed to play in government, but who doesn't like a conspiracy theory eh )

 

[CCFCSteve]

tbh, my conspiracy theory (and it avoides judgements here, as I really don't want it to tip over into t'other thread!!) is similar to Cummings.

At that point, certain sectors of the population were quite happy sitting at home, not enthused by eating out to help out, going on holiday etc. What you need to do is change the collective psyche a little, and one way of doing that is to loosen those chains where people follow authority fairly literally. Once Cummings tested his eyesight, there was a discernable shift where people weren't as worried about following rules literally, as he hadn't after all.

We're in a similar position now. Hancock can serve a purpose in just loosening those psychological chains ever so slightly, showing that rules are there to be bent and, when they loosen more, it encourages people to take advantage of those loosened rules rather than self-selecting.

In that way... Hancock can provide a service. You *then* move him away, and he either ends up the patsy for errors, or the blame if you need to re-introduce restrictions down the line. Meanwhile, his authority is damaged so he doesn't get any attention paid to him if he butts againstt the government.

The political (small p) move might be to keep him there, given the stage we're at.

(Of course what's more likely is that he's a hopelessly incompetent insincere buffoon who has no grasp of the role he's supposed to play in government, but who doesn't like a conspiracy theory eh )

I agree, there is more to this, definitely in terms of timing of the release of the pic/vid. Whether it involves Cummings (I think Dubed mentioned this might not be Hancocks only affair), or possibly Johnson wanting to reduce his power/remove potential blocker to reopening... or something else. Who knows.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Agreed, although not sure Johnson needs him for the inquiry. Cummings has already hung him out to dry, he’s got no credibility etc etc and I never thought he’d still be in position by then anyway. Also that inquiry is going to finger pointing all round (everyone covering their own arses). As you say, far more damaging to keep him. The public as a whole are rightly livid

That was the problem with falling out with Cummings over Carrie. I reckon they'd agreed Hancock would end up being the fall guy and now Cummings is either trying to remove Hancock so he can't be or destroy any credibility as a leader Johnson has (how he still has any anyway is a mystery).

Cummings is the type of guy to keep portfolios on people with all the shit they've got up to to use as blackmail and Johnson probably has his own filing cabinet.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

If Johnson doesn’t have a quiet word this weekend (either you resign saying it was necessary ‘after stressful time, let people down, need to spend time with family blah blah’ or I sack you) this will severely damage the government

Hancock has always been a mixture of idiot/toxicity...now he’s just toxic

He will never sack him. It'd be pot calling the kettle black. Would anyone seriously be surprised if Johnson had been up to similar during lockdown given his reputation?

 

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[lifeskyblue]

Hancock resigns


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[Evo1883]

Brandon Lewis today on sky.

Trevor Phillips told him about his personal situation where his daughter died and people couldn't be there for her funeral , 6 days after Hancock broke covid rules ... their rules it should be added .
Lewis then says that he too has had friends pass so he understands ...(clearly he doesn't understand as losing a friend is not the same as losing your daughter ) he also failed to offer condolences to Phillips.

He then goes on to explain that Hancock resigned because he was thinking about his family , this being the very family that he wasn't thinking about whilst tongue punching the fart box of his assistant .

What a shameless bunch of cunts, that interview has annoyed me tbh

 

[Evo1883]

 

[clint van damme]

I'm not going to click play because your synopsis of it has pissed me off without actually hearing it and I'm in the middle of a chill out day.

 

[oakey]

The gas lighting is now endemic.
Nothing to see here. We are delivering on the priorities of the British people, Brexit, Vaccines, world beating yada yada, jibber jabber. Labour would be worse. Look over there - dinghies, illegals, woke, statues being attacked.
So depressing.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

The gas lighting is now endemic.
Nothing to see here. We are delivering on the priorities of the British people, Brexit, Vaccines, world beating yada yada, jibber jabber. Labour would be worse. Look over there - dinghies, illegals, woke, statues being attacked.
So depressing.

Add to this their increasing control of the BBC and Chanel 4 so we don't even get the alternative perspective

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Brandon Lewis today on sky.

Trevor Phillips told him about his personal situation where his daughter died and people couldn't be there for her funeral , 6 days after Hancock broke covid rules ... their rules it should be added .
Lewis then says that he too has had friends pass so he understands ...(clearly he doesn't understand as losing a friend is not the same as losing your daughter ) he also failed to offer condolences to Phillips.

He then goes on to explain that Hancock resigned because he was thinking about his family , this being the very family that he wasn't thinking about whilst tongue punching the fart box of his assistant .

What a shameless bunch of cunts, that interview has annoyed me tbh

Also the same family he immediately abandoned on being told the Sun were publishing the pictures.

Like you say, no words to express the anger.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Brandon Lewis today on sky.

Trevor Phillips told him about his personal situation where his daughter died and people couldn't be there for her funeral , 6 days after Hancock broke covid rules ... their rules it should be added .
Lewis then says that he too has had friends pass so he understands ...(clearly he doesn't understand as losing a friend is not the same as losing your daughter ) he also failed to offer condolences to Phillips.

He then goes on to explain that Hancock resigned because he was thinking about his family , this being the very family that he wasn't thinking about whilst tongue punching the fart box of his assistant .

What a shameless bunch of cunts, that interview has annoyed me tbh

The only ones left are complete weasels like him, any with half a brain left or were kicked out long ago. It should be a national shame that they are at the helm.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

@Grendel Are you proud of them then?

 

[Grendel]

@Grendel Are you proud of them then?

It’s no different to past politicians behaving in oafish ways

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s no different to past politicians behaving in oafish ways

Name a single minister who is even vaguely competent at their post

 

[clint van damme]

Name a single minister who is even vaguely competent at their post

they're absolutely useless and also held less to account than they've ever been because the PM is a cretin, it's a dangerous combination.

 

[Grendel]

Name a single minister who is even vaguely competent at their post

Sunak is competent - it’s also a matter of conjecture - I’d say two were incompetent and one of those has gone

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

they're absolutely useless and also held less to account than they've ever been because the PM is a cretin, it's a dangerous combination.

The last batch under May contained some who were at least trying to do the job seriously even if I disagreed with their ideology. David Cameron couldn't be accused of half arsing it, the current lazy oaf clearly is all about the title and not the day job.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Sunak is competent - it’s also a matter of conjecture - I’d say two were incompetent and one of those has gone

I hope for your sake the other one you class as incompetent is Williamson

 

[skybluetony176]

Name a single minister who is even vaguely competent at their post

It’s not just that they’re all duds. The biggest dud of them all is the PM.

 

[wingy]

Well shouldn't they ask first or is a bit of communism?


"Chancellor Rishi Sunak to raid pensions for UK's growth fund" Chancellor Rishi Sunak to raid pensions for UK's growth fund

 

[Grendel]

I hope for your sake the other one you class as incompetent is Williamson

It’s hardly for my sake but for the record yes it is. Then again it’s never been a popular ministerial position. He’s a poor strategist and communicator

 

[clint van damme]

Sunak is competent - it’s also a matter of conjecture - I’d say two were incompetent and one of those has gone

you're too clever to believe that. They're a shower of useless twats.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s hardly for my sake but for the record yes it is. Then again it’s never been a popular ministerial position. He’s a poor strategist and communicator

Well after what he did at the MoD it's astonishing he's still an MP never mind a senior Cabinet minister.

 

[Grendel]

The last batch under May contained some who were at least trying to do the job seriously even if I disagreed with their ideology. David Cameron couldn't be accused of half arsing it, the current lazy oaf clearly is all about the title and not the day job.

Is that a joke? Cameron was the laziest worst PM I’ve ever known

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s not just that they’re all duds. The biggest dud of them all is the PM.

I don't know. Williamson is a very special case

 

[Grendel]

you're too clever to believe that. They're a shower of useless twats.

I think your two pints ended up a lot more - he’s the competition - seriously

Cabinet – The Labour Party

The Cabinet is made up of Keir Starmer and his top team in Parliament. Take a look at the Labour Government's frontbench and what they do.

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great to see old Blair’s flat mate still lurking. Would had it Starmer has asked him to provide legal advice to labours new convert (well other than Tony the only convert) John Bercow in ways to suppress bullying claims against him

 

[skybluetony176]

Is that a joke? Cameron was the laziest worst PM I’ve ever known

Fuck me you’ve got it bad for Boris if you seriously believe that.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Is that a joke? Cameron was the laziest worst PM I’ve ever known

If you're classing Cameron as lazier and worse than Boris then I think we can end the conversation there, it's clear Cameron was at least willing to put the hours in and look the part.

Not that I wanted either anywhere near No. 10