It's a fair point, it might be a capacity thing though. Perhaps some of the big suppliers have fixed X amount of their consumption but there are pressures on anything above that
The absurdity comes from pretending that a public monopoly could be turned into an open and competitive marketIncredibly there are over 60 energy suppliers in the UK which is absurd. Most will not have resources to hedge the energy price and are essentially speculators that will now go down - most likely due to Gas hikes as much as electricity
Its absurd many of these have a licence
I'm not denying it's a shitshow......was just disputing the statistical distortion...I understand the general point about it credibility and remain campaign misrepresentation, but, that graphic in shhmmmeee's post still seems to show that the UK is now paying is 100% more for wholesale gas than the average across Europe. That is a fucking disgrace and the government must be held to account for it.
Exactly....no natural monopolies should be left to market forces with suppliers basically hedging bets on a futures/ commodities market.......we should (but never will) renationalise the water, energy, railways, broadband etc..The absurdity comes from pretending that a public monopoly could be turned into an open and competitive market
Incredibly there are over 60 energy suppliers in the UK which is absurd. Most will not have resources to hedge the energy price and are essentially speculators that will now go down - most likely due to Gas hikes as much as electricity
Its absurd many of these have a licence
Click on the link and read the whole thread to understand what a complete Tory clusterfuck this is.
Just remember that despite leaving the EU we did have the option to remain in the IEM
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Is what's happening here also happening in Europe? I assume not given the reports that NI are OK as they can get supplies from Ireland. If its not Brexit why is the increase in wholesale price impacting us more than elsewhere?But none of the press (even remain press) mentions Brexit as a reason for the current issues ?!!
The majority of the uk press are pro tory, and pro brexit. Shock horror they are not mentioning it much yet.Is what's happening here also happening in Europe? I assume not given the reports that NI are OK as they can get supplies from Ireland. If its not Brexit why is the increase in wholesale price impacting us more than elsewhere?
The majority of the uk press are pro tory, and pro brexit. Shock horror they are not mentioning it much yet.
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Is what's happening here also happening in Europe? I assume not given the reports that NI are OK as they can get supplies from Ireland. If its not Brexit why is the increase in wholesale price impacting us more than elsewhere?
The majority of the uk press are pro tory, and pro brexit. Shock horror they are not mentioning it much yet.
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The Twitter link doesn’t just mention brexit either. It also talks about storage and how the Tories allowed the facility that stored 70% of the UK’s gas to be closed. A move that was widely criticised at the time. The Guardian article also touches on storage. Of all of Europe’s stored gas the UK’s stored gas accounts for just 1%. Pretty shocking statistic, especially when you consider that we’re more reliant on gas than other European countries.But none of the press (even remain press) mentions Brexit as a reason for the current issues ?!!
What caused the UK’s energy crisis?
From moves by China and Russia to changes in UK regulation, these are the factors that created the perfect stormwww.google.co.uk
Energy crisis: UK's 'particularly difficult' circumstances mean it's suffering worse than European neighbours
Many countries are suffering because of the dramatic rise in the price of gas, but the UK appears to be hit worse than most - here's why.www.google.co.uk
IEM is only mentioned in passing in sky article. Nothing more. Its an interesting brief article as to why it’s worse here. Plenty of poor government planning, yes, 100%. Even if we don’t have sufficient energy production here, not having adequate storage to withstand large price fluctuations/issues with supply is inexcusable. We’re also basically trying to move to greener energy production/reliance but can’t deal with demand without a massive reliance on others for gas supply. Dangerous !
Fuck off you muppet. 70% of the UK’s press is in the control of 3 families all pro brexit. Even then the frothiest of frothy brexit loving papers is outside of their control, namely the Express.The majority of the press were never pro Brexit
We control nothing.Control
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Isn't that enough?
But issues with things like covid, Russia's control on the supply etc as detailed in the articles apply to all countries not just the UK so what is so different about us?That’s why I attached the articles Dave
No food shortages or threats of power cuts here.But issues with things like covid, Russia's control on the supply etc as detailed in the articles apply to all countries not just the UK so what is so different about us?
I've looked for reports of other governments in Europe having to reassure that there will be enough food and the power won't go off but can't find them.
If its not Brexit related, which it may well not be, then doesn't that point to government incompetence? An over reliance on fossil fuels isn't something that should take the government by surprise and only be addressed when we're at crisis point.
If this is true, it just goes to show what an incompetent bellend Starmer is. He has an absolute open goal right now in regards to what is going on with the shitshow of the government… and this is his grand plan.
It's the end of civilisation as we know it!No 1664 or full size seeded wholemeal bread from asda tonight .
Well a replacement granny mini loaf replacement ffs.
No replacement beer.,
The Twitter link doesn’t just mention brexit either. It also talks about storage and how the Tories allowed the facility that stored 70% of the UK’s gas to be closed. A move that was widely criticised at the time. The Guardian article also touches on storage. Of all of Europe’s stored gas the UK’s stored gas accounts for just 1%. Pretty shocking statistic, especially when you consider that we’re more reliant on gas than other European countries.
Apparently a report in 2010 advised we double our gas storage capacity in preparation of what we’re seeing now. It doesn’t sound like this is an issue that couldn’t have been prepared for, the government was being advised that this was likely to happen at some point and did less than nothing if that was at all possible by allowing Rough to be closed reducing our already woefully inadequate storage ability to be diminished by 70%. I think it’s already been dismantled so we can’t even recommission it for future use. We’ve basically got to invest in complete new facilities.I agree Tony, it’s a shambles in terms of planning and protection...as I said, its inexcusable ! It’s like we think we all live in a lovely world where people/countries don’t fuck each other over when there’s leverage and control. We need to take this (and Covid) as a warning, the government needs to pull their fingers out and make us far more self sufficient.
I saw a report earlier that the average 2 children family is likely to be £1600.00 worse of a year from the triple whammy of NI hike, UC cut and the cost of living hike.So the tories are pushing ahead with the removal of the 20 pound per week universal credit boost (UC TOO LOW ANYWAY ) in a time when the cost of living is rising beyond that of peoples means
Absolute vermin
Vote these fucking clowns out PLEASE!!!
The CO2 situation was here two year's ago with a dry run while two plants were out of action for maintenance.Apparently a report in 2010 advised we double our gas storage capacity in preparation of what we’re seeing now. It doesn’t sound like this is an issue that couldn’t have been prepared for, the government was being advised that this was likely to happen at some point and did less than nothing if that was at all possible by allowing Rough to be closed reducing our already woefully inadequate storage ability to be diminished by 70%. I think it’s already been dismantled so we can’t even recommission it for future use. We’ve basically got to invest in complete new facilities.
Just need interest rates to get on the move now.I saw a report earlier that the average 2 children family is likely to be £1600.00 worse of a year from the triple whammy of NI hike, UC cut and the cost of living hike.
Surely cancelled gammon should be discussed on your anyone a vegan threadThe word " Gammon " added to the list of offensive words by ofcom .
Quick lads /lasses , delete your social media history before it's made a hate crime and people start trawling through your history
Jobs will be lost over this in 9 years time
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