Ian1779
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I spend far more time criticising the awful Tories than I do Starmer… you don’t see it here.
I spend far more time criticising the awful Tories than I do Starmer… you don’t see it here.And that's a bigger issue than posting out the dreadful record of this Government? Any Labour, or non Tory, leader will always have a much harder task to get the right message over because of the media that we have in this country. Milliband lost the election for eating a bacon sandwich yet this Government fail us every day with so little scrutiny from the media.
But you carry on attacking Starmer mate rather than the real villans if you want to.
Yes I am aware of your views and they are good ones in my opinion. That's why I wish you would criticise those who are the real problem more than Starmer.Have you ever read any of my other posts about politics?
it doesn’t but it’s the perception who is most likely to deliver that. Dinosaurs like Rayner and Mcloskey are turn offs to the vast majority of the country
I'm somewhat confused. What does pay for teacher's, doctor's, copper's etc. salaries if it's not tax?Tax doesn't actually pay for any of those things and it's really time to make that clear. The issue with the concept of taxpayer's money is that it sets an artificial limit on spending that just does not need to be there.
I'm somewhat confused. What does pay for teacher's, doctor's, copper's etc. salaries if it's not tax?
No one is saying they will. And as you say, electoral maths is relevant - even more so that Scotland is gone for good as far as Labour is concerned. So how is it going to make all the gains it needs… by re-harnessing all their best hits from 97 in a world that now needs something more? Every single metric of prosperity is declining for the vast majority of the people in this country…
I'm somewhat confused. What does pay for teacher's, doctor's, copper's etc. salaries if it's not tax?
Yeah I mean Labour only need to flip over 120 seats pretty much exclusively in England.
Still lost.Well by net spend it's borrowed money
So you think they should be even more centrist?
Practically what does that mean and look like?
And those voters aren’t concerned about UC cut, utilities skyrocketing, never being able to get on the property ladder, having to choose between food or heat for example?I’m not sure why appealing to voters is “re-harnessing all their best hits from 97” and not just “how to get elected 101” TBH. Voter concerns aren’t identical to 1997, but the tactic of talking to voters about their concerns is timeless. Post Corbyn voter concerns are we’ll spend shit loads and tax the crap out of them.
Still lost.
I'm not an economist, but surely, if you want society to look after your family (nurses, firefighters, teachers, coppers,binmen etc.), then you need to make a contribution.
I really don't get the narrative that tax is a bad thing.
Living in the UK is a great thing. Supporting City is a great thing.
There are overheads that come with both.
they already have committed to itThis is just pathetic. Why doesn't he just say to her that £6bn is nothing, and regardless it's all going to be spent directly in to the economy. The £6bn cut to UC is £6bn taken out of the real economy.
This is just pathetic. Why doesn't he just say to her that £6bn is nothing, and regardless it's all going to be spent directly in to the economy. The £6bn cut to UC is £6bn taken out of the real economy.
I’m surprised you are pedalling this argument.Because he wants to get elected and convincing the media and public that the national finances aren’t like household finances isn’t going to be done in a one minute interview.
This is the classic Labour interview gambit: demand policy, then either slate them for not committing or slate them for “where will the money come from?”
I’m surprised you’re falling for it TBH.
Sorry mate, my constituency is a Labour/Green marginal.No matter what , its still in my best interest to vote for Labour..
Go off on your way and join the northern independence Party, join the greens , join the lib dems , or whatever fringe left wing warrior group you choose ...
But please , do not moan when the tories win again ....SIMPLE
It’s part of some master plan to deter people arriving in boats.I wonder how it's going to play in Tory costal constituencies that they are pumping literal shit into the sea.
Probably one of those outraged now "how could they do this" kind of things that are ignored come election time because Labour might not be too harsh on people that have more melanin than other.
This should be a really big opportunity for the Lib Dems as the places aren't natural Labour seats but they are useless bastards too.
Because he wants to get elected and convincing the media and public that the national finances aren’t like household finances isn’t going to be done in a one minute interview.
This is the classic Labour interview gambit: demand policy, then either slate them for not committing or slate them for “where will the money come from?”
I’m surprised you’re falling for it TBH.
This is hilarious and not for the reasons the host thinks
Growing concrete!Look how the Express report it
I’m surprised you are pedalling this argument.
He had a minute to offer some reassurance at a time of need for lot of people around rocketing utility bills, it wouldn’t have killed them.
Elected by whom? More people think that benefits are too low than those who think benefits are too high.
I think this is the poll that has finally done it for me with YOUGOV .
I get there are many people who would like measures re Introduced but this is definitely nonsense ...so that begs the question .. who are they asking ?
Do any of you believe these figures honestly?View attachment 22433
No its not reflective and by definition the face mask thing vs reality makes zero sense
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