COV
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I agree with this, at least be honest about it
Fair play for posting this. I may not agree with your method of selecting who you vote for but at least there's a reason behind it that makes sense. For your sake I hope Conservative policy genuinely does advantage you as I'm not sure the same can be said for everyone who votes for them on the same basis.
Honesty is indeed commendable but it's merely being open about the ethics of gangsters and 'Lord of the flies' so excuse me for not cheering.I agree with this, at least be honest about it
Honesty is indeed commendable but it's merely being open about the ethics of gangsters and 'Lord of the flies' so excuse me for not cheering.
You know thats horse shit don’t you? Many do, we need to take more responsibility but many can’t and don’t have the opportunities you have and hadNo im not consumed with bitterness and jealousy - if it fails it’s my fault and i will own it but bleat about others when it’s people’s own responsibility to set their destiny
An honest Tory. What is the world coming to.
Labour should have made the positive case for staying in the EU from the start. Corbyn was abysmal and he let people down on that. And he should have supported a second reforendum. We were promised that a vote to leave didn't mean leaving the single market. This is so damaging to the country.Stop being disingenuous. I’m not letting anyone off the hook and you know it.
And as for making a case to stay post referendum - an utterly foolish move. Labour should have focused on offering the best possible exit, not trying overturn the result.
There are a wealth of stats out there to say that Corbyn did more appearances to support the Remain campaign than anyone else, including the self-appointed leaders of that campaign.Labour should have made the positive case for staying in the EU from the start. Corbyn was abysmal and he let people down on that. And he should have supported a second reforendum. We were promised that a vote to leave didn't mean leaving the single market. This is so damaging to the country.
But the real problem is the incompetent Government. But hey join the Tory media in criticising the Labour leadership. They did the same to Milliband, Corbyn and now Starmer.
He probably refused to share the stage with Tories that much is true, but I saw him on TV on at least a couple of occasions. I remember one such appearance on the Last Leg where he rated his love for the EU (or something like that) as 7/10, but then quantified his answer by daring to explain why it was not higher.IIRC during the referendum campaign Corbyn refused to do televised debates or share a platform with any Tories, preferring to tour Miners galas, Friends of Palestine and such-like fringe left wing events.
He may have persuaded a few on the far left whilst ignoring the rest of the population. Which rather neatly sums up his tenure as leader.
I think it was correct not to share a platform with Tories given how well that tactic worked for them in Scotland.IIRC during the referendum campaign Corbyn refused to do televised debates or share a platform with any Tories, preferring to tour Miners galas, Friends of Palestine and such-like fringe left wing events.
He may have persuaded a few on the far left whilst ignoring the rest of the population. Which rather neatly sums up his tenure as leader.
I think it was correct not to share a platform with Tories given how well that tactic worked for them in Scotland.
It's funny how Corbyn has been morphed into some catch all baddy by both sides. Hard remainers think he was a secret leaver and and hard leavers think he was trying to get us to remain by stealth. The failure in his leadership was his insistence on compromise. He tried to understand both sides of the argument during a culture war where everybody else just took sides and he tried to get the PLP on board when their only objective was to get rid of him.
There were lots of underlying reasons as to why Brexit occurred. Even now very few have been even acknowledged never mind resolved. The Leave campaign exploited the immigration argument and went to town on EU corruption… yet the corruption at national level was just as bad and being done largely by those talking about the EU. Perfect deflection but Remain never produced a counter attack to it.I dont blame Corbyn at all for Remain being useless. I just point out that his personal contribution was small.
The Tories are 100% responsible for Brexit.
Labour should have had nothing to do with it. I think Corbyn was very conflicted and did his best. Which was very limited in its scope and appeal.
Trying to get nuance or compromise in a referendum?
You know thats horse shit don’t you? Many do, we need to take more responsibility but many can’t and don’t have the opportunities you have and had
Dorries is making her self look an absolute muppet at the moment, there is this, the Tommy Robinson stuff and the James O'Brien tweets. She should walk.
Fucking hell.
I'm sure the tory contingent will be as quick to condemn her inciting violence as they were to condemn Angela Rayners comments about the tories.
I think rayner made her comments this year not 10 years ago pretty desperate really
Dorries is making her self look an absolute muppet at the moment, there is this, the Tommy Robinson stuff and the James O'Brien tweets. She should walk.
That’s a bizarre tweet and a ridiculous thing to say about anyone but there is no context (only an assumption that she’s not happy that her daughters speaking to RDH because he is black which Id imagine isn’t the case but who knows)
The tweet is from 2012 which is a reflection on where we are in society...basically dredging up anything from people’s social media past without context or providing a chance to reply. I’m glad I’m not on Twitter, I’d probably be inside by now
Ps that no justification for a stupid and potentially racist tweet...or one that could certainly be perceived to be
But even if there's no racist undertone, she's talking about getting a shotgun, I thought this sort of think wassupposed to be out of bounds?
Admittedly this was before Jo Cox and David Amess.
I think rayner made her comments this year not 10 years ago pretty desperate really
And she's the 'Culture' minister ffs
Dorries is making her self look an absolute muppet at the moment, there is this, the Tommy Robinson stuff and the James O'Brien tweets. She should walk.
Is not resurrecting things from the past now a thing? Noted.
Only in this government could someone with her ability find a place in the cabinet. #notacomplementFucking hell.
I'm sure the tory contingent will be as quick to condemn her inciting violence as they were to condemn Angela Rayners comments about the tories.
Serious question. What do you think about the work of Jo Berry? A friend of Magees. Or the words of Harvey Thomas? Also a friend of Magees. Both also victims of the Brighton Bombing.Well when I resurrect Labour MPs who called the death of a sitting Tory M.P. “a start” and that his comrade was arrested for protesting the murderers human rights that’s what I’m told
Im not entirely sure it was totally about corruption or what corruption there was .There were lots of underlying reasons as to why Brexit occurred. Even now very few have been even acknowledged never mind resolved. The Leave campaign exploited the immigration argument and went to town on EU corruption… yet the corruption at national level was just as bad and being done largely by those talking about the EU. Perfect deflection but Remain never produced a counter attack to it.
She is what she is
Dorries is making her self look an absolute muppet at the moment, there is this, the Tommy Robinson stuff and the James O'Brien tweets. She should walk.
2012 wasn't exactly the dark agesThat’s a bizarre tweet and a ridiculous thing to say about anyone but there is no context (only an assumption that she’s not happy that her daughters speaking to RDH because he is black which Id imagine isn’t the case but who knows)
The tweet is from 2012 which is a reflection on where we are in society...basically dredging up anything from people’s social media past without context or providing a chance to reply. I’m glad I’m not on Twitter, I’d probably be inside by now
Ps that no justification for a stupid and potentially racist tweet...or one that could certainly be perceived to be
I agree that dredging up old tweets gets a bit tiresome but at the same time cricketers and footballers have been punished for it and we shouldn't have higher standards for them than politicians. It isn't just the Reg Hunter thing anyway, just the brass neck of her with her more than dodgy posting history in relation to this online hate bill.That’s a bizarre tweet and a ridiculous thing to say about anyone but there is no context (only an assumption that she’s not happy that her daughters speaking to RDH because he is black which Id imagine isn’t the case but who knows)
The tweet is from 2012 which is a reflection on where we are in society...basically dredging up anything from people’s social media past without context or providing a chance to reply. I’m glad I’m not on Twitter, I’d probably be inside by now
Ps that no justification for a stupid and potentially racist tweet...or one that could certainly be perceived to be
She’s attacked a certain James O’Brien repeatedly using expletives and even having a go at him for the school he went to, which apparently in a very ironic twist is also the same school her own children went to. She’s not ministerial quality. Well, except in this government.I agree that dredging up old tweets gets a bit tiresome but at the same time cricketers and footballers have been punished for it and we shouldn't have higher standards for them than politicians. It isn't just the Reg Hunter thing anyway, just the brass neck of her with her more than dodgy posting history in relation to this online hate bill.
Rose Paterson told of article linking her to corruption allegations
In a reply to an email from her friend, the Tory peer Anne Jenkin, Rose Paterson is understood have written: 'Sometimes I just feel like I should go into the garden and never come back.'www.dailymail.co.uk
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