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[Grendel]

Labour calls for Claudia Webbe to resign after MP found guilty of harassment

Webbe sits in the Commons as an independent after being suspended by the Labour Party.

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[Grendel]

Marty made a point (badly) that the people on this topic had buried the Claudia Webbe story which was bollocks.
Then you’ve weighed in with some irrelevant whataboutery crap that has no connection to anything that was discussed.
Speaking of hypocrisy - still waiting for you to demonstrate where you called out convicted sex offender Charlie Elphicke on this board…. Interests of balance and all that.

I assume if Mr Elphicke was a labour MP and the left gathered round to defend them in the same way they have the odious Ms Webbe you’d be opposed and yet you seem to have not condemned their defence of Ms Webbe. Do you agree with their staunch defence of the acid chucker?

 

[Philosoraptor]

If this has been posted I apologise.

 

[Ian1779]

I assume if Mr Elphicke was a labour MP and the left gathered round to defend them in the same way they have the odious Ms Webbe you’d be opposed and yet you seem to have not condemned their defence of Ms Webbe. Do you agree with their staunch defence of the acid chucker?

The only people that gather round to defend sex offenders are the Tories (see also Jimmy Saville)
As for Miss Webbe - who threatened to chuck acid of you wish to be pedantic, her political persuasion is irrelevant. It’s only you (as usual) trying to gain mileage out of it as a distraction.
And for absolute clarity - of course she deserves to be sacked/expelled/charged - this kind of behaviour is not acceptable. She should not be able to hold a public office as a result.

 

[Grendel]

The only people that gather round to defend sex offenders are the Tories (see also Jimmy Saville)
As for Miss Webbe - who threatened to chuck acid of you wish to be pedantic, her political persuasion is irrelevant. It’s only you (as usual) trying to gain mileage out of it as a distraction.

with respect it’s you that’s distracting and not answering a question - do you think the character references are appropriate in a court of law from sitting MPs - I’ve asked 3 times - please answer

 

[shmmeee]

As she’s a criminal which this person isn’t

And she was immediately kicked out of her party rather than her party trying to change the rules to get her off.

 

[Ian1779]

with respect it’s you that’s distracting and not answering a question - do you think the character references are appropriate in a court of law from sitting MPs - I’ve asked 3 times - please answer

Why don’t you post the character references on here, we can all have a look and then debate from there.
Also, as you are no doubt aware - 4 MP’s gave character reference for the convicted sex offender Charlie Elphicke. Bob Stewart, Sir Robert Gale, Adam Holloway, Theresa Villiers as well as peer Lord Freud.

There were also a number of references for him from local Conservative Party councillors and members, business leaders from his local area. I’ve attached a link for your perusal.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/R-v-Charles-Elphicke-Character-References.pdf

EDIT: Silly me, how could I forget the character reference from Johnathon Aitken who himself was *checks notes* imprisoned for perverting the course of justice.

 

[Grendel]

Why don’t you post the character references on here, we can all have a look and then debate from there.
Also, as you are no doubt aware - 4 MP’s gave character reference for the convicted sex offender Charlie Elphicke. Bob Stewart, Sir Robert Gale, Adam Holloway, Theresa Villiers as well as peer Lord Freud.

There were also a number of references for him from local Conservative Party councillors and members, business leaders from his local area. I’ve attached a link for your perusal.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/R-v-Charles-Elphicke-Character-References.pdf

Ian I’ve linked the references and asked you to discuss but you’ve decided not to and thrown Tory examples in

classic whatabotery

 

[Grendel]

And she was immediately kicked out of her party rather than her party trying to change the rules to get her off.

He didn’t actually face a criminal prosecution- bizarre comparison

 

[Ian1779]

Ian I’ve linked the references and asked you to discuss but you’ve decided not to and thrown Tory examples in

classic whatabotery

Classic Grendel, no answer when push comes to shove. No wonder you’re a Tory sycophant.

 

[skybluetony176]

Why don’t you post the character references on here, we can all have a look and then debate from there.
Also, as you are no doubt aware - 4 MP’s gave character reference for the convicted sex offender Charlie Elphicke. Bob Stewart, Sir Robert Gale, Adam Holloway, Theresa Villiers as well as peer Lord Freud.

There were also a number of references for him from local Conservative Party councillors and members, business leaders from his local area. I’ve attached a link for your perusal.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/R-v-Charles-Elphicke-Character-References.pdf

Labour also didn’t reinstate the whip like the Tories did with Elphicke only to have to withdraw it again when he was charged a year later.

 

[Grendel]

Classic Grendel, no answer when push comes to shove. No wonder you’re a Tory sycophant.

with respect I’ve asked you several times. As ever the left spit, snarl, insult and patronise. Then wonder why they are political nonentities

 

[Ian1779]

with respect I’ve asked you several times. As ever the left spit, snarl, insult and patronise. Then wonder why they are political nonentities

With respect you should probably sit down as all the spin and deflection has probably made you dizzy.

 

[Grendel]

With respect you should probably sit down as all the spin and deflection has probably made you dizzy.

No in 3 years I’ll celebrate another Tory landslide and you’ll still be steeped in jealousy and bitterness

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I assume if Mr Elphicke was a labour MP and the left gathered round to defend them in the same way they have the odious Ms Webbe you’d be opposed and yet you seem to have not condemned their defence of Ms Webbe. Do you agree with their staunch defence of the acid chucker?

Classic deflection and whataboutery.

The facts are he wasn't Labour. He was a Tory. Who reinstated the whip after having previously removed it when the allegations came to light. After having it removed again he was then convicted and imprisoned.

Do you support that move to reinstate him or do you think your beloved Tories did something heinous in allowing a sex offender back in and thus showing staunch support for him?

 

[shmmeee]

He didn’t actually face a criminal prosecution- bizarre comparison

No he was just corrupt. So something actually relevant to his role as an MP instead of just being a mental girlfriend.

You realise they’ve u-turned right? You’re out on your own defending this shite at this point.

 

[Grendel]

Classic deflection and whataboutery.

The facts are he wasn't Labour. He was a Tory. Who reinstated the whip after having previously removed it when the allegations came to light. After having it removed again he was then convicted and imprisoned.

Do you support that move to reinstate him or do you think your beloved Tories did something heinous in allowing a sex offender back in and thus showing staunch support for him?

the facts are dumbo the Webbe case was raised first and Ian changed the subject

he was tried and convicted so that’s process

I vote Tory as it gives me the lifestyle that suits me and my family and a labour government would personally disadvantage me so actually if you really want the brutal truth I don’t give a flying fuck about him the acid chucker or anyone else

I care about me the people whose jobs rely on me and my immediate family. No one else

 

[Grendel]

No he was just corrupt. So something actually relevant to his role as an MP instead of just being a mental girlfriend.

You realise they’ve u-turned right? You’re out on your own defending this shite at this point.

Im on my own. Ha ha against you and the handful on SBT who care. Wow. I’m backed in a corner I’m scared what’s going to happen - are you sending me to a special place to be re educated

 

[shmmeee]

the facts are dumbo the Webbe case was raised first and Ian changed the subject

he was tried and convicted so that’s process

I vote Tory as it gives me the lifestyle that suits me and my family and a labour government would personally disadvantage me so actually if you really want the brutal truth I don’t give a flying fuck about him the acid chucker or anyone else

I care about me the people whose jobs rely on me and my immediate family. No one else

Take it you don’t have a job then

 

[clint van damme]

the facts are dumbo the Webbe case was raised first and Ian changed the subject

he was tried and convicted so that’s process

I vote Tory as it gives me the lifestyle that suits me and my family and a labour government would personally disadvantage me so actually if you really want the brutal truth I don’t give a flying fuck about him the acid chucker or anyone else

I care about me the people whose jobs rely on me and my immediate family. No one else

no it wasn't. Marty raised it to try and deflect from the Patterson story being being discussed again after another change of heart from the world u turn champion. .

 

[Grendel]

Take it you don’t have a job then

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Oh yes I have a job alright and Guess what - it’s going very well

 

[Grendel]

no it wasn't. Marty raised it to try and deflect from the Patterson story being being discussed again after another change of heart from the world u turn champion. .

I’m referencing Webbe vs Elphick and oddly I’ve raised her case a while ago on this thread

 

[PVA]

I care about me the people whose jobs rely on me and my immediate family. No one else

And there it is.

Classic Tory.

I'm alright Jack. Fuck everyone else.

 

[Frostie]

If this has been posted I apologise.

In fairness, Laura Kuenssberg is practically head of propaganda for the Tories so as good as being told by the government.

 

[shmmeee]

And there it is.

Classic Tory.

I'm alright Jack. Fuck everyone else.

He loves low living standards does Grendel. Hates disposable income.

 

[stupot07]

He loves low living standards does Grendel. Hates disposable income.

Unless its enough disposable income to buy a Land Rover or Jaguar.

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[Northants Sky Blue]

I care about me the people whose jobs rely on me and my immediate family. No one else

Usual question for anyone of this mindset:

If walking down the street one day you see a child hit by a car, a woman being assaulted or even an old dear struggling on some black ice would you ignore simply because they weren't family?

 

[Skybluefaz]

As she’s a criminal which this person isn’t

Which person? You?

 

[Grendel]

Usual question for anyone of this mindset:

If walking down the street one day they, god forbid, see a child hit by a car, a woman assaulted by her partner or even an old dear struggling on some black ice would they ignore it simply because they weren't family?

A terrible analogy

 

[oakey]

Usual question for anyone of this mindset:

If walking down the street one day they, god forbid, see a child hit by a car, a woman assaulted by her partner or even an old dear struggling on some black ice would they ignore it simply because they weren't family?

In those immediate incidents sympathy is required. Tories are quite good at sympathy so would probably assist.
What they lack is empathy as they don't have the emotional intelligence to discern suffering that doesn't have an obvious cause.
Just my opinion.

 

[PVA]

Usual question for anyone of this mindset:

If walking down the street one day they, god forbid, see a child hit by a car, a woman assaulted by her partner or even an old dear struggling on some black ice would they ignore it simply because they weren't family?

He would help the old dear off the ice and take credit for being a lovely man, a man of the people.

Then the lady gets home and realises her purse is missing.

 

[covmark]

Usual question for anyone of this mindset:

If walking down the street one day they, god forbid, see a child hit by a car, a woman assaulted by her partner or even an old dear struggling on some black ice would they ignore it simply because they weren't family?

Yes, exactly the same. As analogies go, that's up there with one of the worst I've seen on this forum.

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[Northants Sky Blue]

A terrible analogy

Noted.
As was this equally lazy answer

 

[Skybluefaz]

 

[oakey]

There are better questions
- Approaching the CBS arena
- You have already brought snacks & treats.
- Someone is collecting for a foodbank
- You notice you have a fiver spare.
Do you (a) stick the fiver in the collection?
(b) buy your child / grandchild an EXTRA treat?