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skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Support Covid restrictions to get rid of unelected bureaucrats. Wait no, support brexit to get rid of unelected bureaucrats. Wait what, the Brexit minister was an unelected bureaucrat. Well at least he’s resigned now so we won’t have to pay him anymore. Wait what, he was given a peerage so he could be made an unelected bureaucrat which means he now has a job for life in the Lords?????

State of this brexit government. And everyone else now in the Tories is at least as bad as the current cabinet if not worse. Theresa May actually might be the best hope for the country ahead of another GE.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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skybluetony176 said:
Or they let someone into their WhatsApp group thinking it was Dorries. Either is possible such was the effectiveness of the purge on intellectuals in the Tory party. It’s just a party of poor man’s Diane Abbot’s now.
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State of this.



Makes me laugh when Mogg constantly references religion, if there's any truth in Christianity he's for it come his day of reckoning.
 
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PVA

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Merry Christmas Boris 😂

He's going to be on the booze every day for the next few weeks, god knows what state he'll be in the next time we see him


 
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CCFCSteve

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I’ve not heard too much from Wes streeting before but caught some of him on LBC and thought he came across pretty well. As did Tobias Elwood shortly after. Whether they’re decent or not it’s hard to tell but always slightly reassuring when you can hear at least some sensible, logical and not overly partisan talk from politicians

Ps I know this will differ from many peoples views but I see Frosts resignation as possibly the last roll of the dice from an ally who’s trying to get Johnson to recognise his failings. I presume this comes after hearing Johnson partially blame bi election defeat on the media and voters listening to media…which was tone deaf at best. Who knows though. Only time will tell how much is Brexit/NI related but after months of negotiations I presume they are where they are with that
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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CCFCSteve said:
I’ve not heard too much from Wes streeting before but caught some of him on LBC and thought he came across pretty well. As did Tobias Elwood shortly after. Whether they’re decent or not it’s hard to tell but always slightly reassuring when you can hear at least some sensible, logical and not overly partisan talk from politicians

Ps I know this will differ from many peoples views but I see Frosts resignation as possibly the last roll of the dice from an ally who’s trying to get Johnson to recognise his failings. I presume this comes after hearing Johnson partially blame bi election defeat on the media and voters listening to media…which was tone deaf at best. Who knows though. Only time will tell how much is Brexit/NI related but after months of negotiations I presume they are where they are with that
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Labour would do well to lay off the arguments calling for him to resign, the longer he stays ultimately the more they benefit.
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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CCFCSteve said:
I’ve not heard too much from Wes streeting before but caught some of him on LBC and thought he came across pretty well. As did Tobias Elwood shortly after. Whether they’re decent or not it’s hard to tell but always slightly reassuring when you can hear at least some sensible, logical and not overly partisan talk from politicians

Ps I know this will differ from many peoples views but I see Frosts resignation as possibly the last roll of the dice from an ally who’s trying to get Johnson to recognise his failings. I presume this comes after hearing Johnson partially blame bi election defeat on the media and voters listening to media…which was tone deaf at best. Who knows though. Only time will tell how much is Brexit/NI related but after months of negotiations I presume they are where they are with that
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Or he’s jumping ship after ‘negotiating’ and trying to ‘renegotiate’ a bad deal - don’t the import duties also kick in from the 1st Jan?
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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CCFCSteve said:
I’ve not heard too much from Wes streeting before but caught some of him on LBC and thought he came across pretty well. As did Tobias Elwood shortly after. Whether they’re decent or not it’s hard to tell but always slightly reassuring when you can hear at least some sensible, logical and not overly partisan talk from politicians

Ps I know this will differ from many peoples views but I see Frosts resignation as possibly the last roll of the dice from an ally who’s trying to get Johnson to recognise his failings. I presume this comes after hearing Johnson partially blame bi election defeat on the media and voters listening to media…which was tone deaf at best. Who knows though. Only time will tell how much is Brexit/NI related but after months of negotiations I presume they are where they are with that
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I think Frost used what's going on with Covid as an excuse to get out of dealing with Brexit which he's been pretty much a disaster at.
 
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CCFCSteve

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Sick Boy said:
Or he’s jumping ship after ‘negotiating’ and trying to ‘renegotiate’ a bad deal - don’t the import duties also kick in from the 1st Jan?
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Either way he’s attached to it as he negotiated it, so jumping ship doesn’t make a blind bit of difference. If anything you’d want to minimise negative impacts from current negotiations and not allow someone new to come in and blame you for the mess. Will probably become clear in coming weeks either way
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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CCFCSteve said:
Either way he’s attached to it as he negotiated it, so jumping ship doesn’t make a blind bit of difference. If anything you’d want to minimise negative impacts from current negotiations and not allow someone new to come in and blame you for the mess. Will probably become clear in coming weeks either way
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He doesn’t need to be blamed by anyone as he’s clearly responsible for it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Labour would do well to lay off the arguments calling for him to resign, the longer he stays ultimately the more they benefit.
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Not sure about that. The alternatives won't be popular.

Once everyone realises that Sunak is not just a guy that gives them half price pizzas he will lose his shine severely. As for Liz Truss...
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Deleted member 9744 said:
Not sure about that. The alternatives won't be popular.

Once everyone realises that Sunak is not just a guy that gives them half price pizzas he will lose his shine severely. As for Liz Truss...
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The next general election isn't due until May 2024. Its not inconceivable that they get rid of whoever replaces Johnson before then.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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CCFCSteve said:
Either way he’s attached to it as he negotiated it, so jumping ship doesn’t make a blind bit of difference. If anything you’d want to minimise negative impacts from current negotiations and not allow someone new to come in and blame you for the mess. Will probably become clear in coming weeks either way
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He slated his own deal so I think its a bit unrealistic not to expect others to do it!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Deleted member 9744 said:
Not sure about that. The alternatives won't be popular.

Once everyone realises that Sunak is not just a guy that gives them half price pizzas he will lose his shine severely. As for Liz Truss...
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An alternative would be given free rein to gut the ‘sleaze’ and restore an impression of competence. Keep the clown there for as long as possible.
 
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PVA

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
An alternative would be given free rein to gut the ‘sleaze’ and restore an impression of competence. Keep the clown there for as long as possible.
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What competence though?

The competent tories were purged a few years ago, there's no competent ones left.

(I know you only said give an impression of competence, but I don't think they can manage that!)
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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PVA said:
What competence though?

The competent tories were purged a few years ago, there's no competent ones left.
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It’s about giving an impression of it to the electorate. ‘Look, we sacked the clown and some of the cronies’
 
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PVA

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
It’s about giving an impression of it to the electorate. ‘Look, we sacked the clown and some of the cronies’
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Yeah I edited my post afterwards to say that I know you only said give an impression of competence, but I think they might even struggle with that!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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PVA said:
Yeah I edited my post afterwards to say that I know you only said give an impression of competence, but I think they might even struggle with that!
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I think it would be enough for a big enough chunk of pissed off Tory voters, at least the ones I know already dislike Johnson for not being a proper small c conservative. What’s very clear is at the moment he’s as toxic to them now as he was a plus in 2019.
 
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I think it would be enough for a big enough chunk of pissed off Tory voters, at least the ones I know already dislike Johnson for not being a proper small c conservative. What’s very clear is at the moment he’s as toxic to them now as he was a plus in 2019.
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I think whoever comes next is going to have a really uphill struggle. Inflation and in particular the gas price rises will cause many people massive problems, and there's no obvious solutions.
 
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BodicoteSkyBlue

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chiefdave said:
They'll try and keep him until covid is sorted then get rid I reckon. Then blame every covid / brexit issue on him as if nobody else in the party was around when it was all taking place.
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They may well try, however he is such a loose cannon I wouldn’t be surprised if he jumped first with a massive fuck you. Only loyalty Boris has is to himself.
 
rob9872

rob9872

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Is there anyone left that isn't taking the piss out of him?

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Really really disagree with this so strongly and not because of who it is, I'd be the same if it was Starmer or previously Corbyn. Whatever we do or don't think of them, politics has no place in football.

Especially at a time when we're trying to eradicate divisiveness based on race, religion, gender or sexual preference, adding politics to the mix brings a whole new level of hatred and is unnecessary and unacceptable. Support your team.
 
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PVA

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rob9872 said:
Really really disagree with this so strongly and not because of who it is, I'd be the same if it was Starmer or previously Corbyn. Whatever we do or don't think of them, politics has no place in football.
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But it's not players/managers/the FA making a political statement, it's a bunch of people singing a song.

They could be down the pub, in the street, wherever, they just happen to be at the football
 
rob9872

rob9872

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PVA said:
But it's not players/managers/the FA making a political statement, it's a bunch of people singing a song.

They could be down the pub, in the street, wherever, they just happen to be at the football
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You're only saying that because you agree with them. Take a step back, as I've said in my edit, it's divisive. You'd agree I'd hope if it was on race or religion etc and wouldn't dismiss it as ok down the pub. It has no place in football.
 
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