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I honestly don't know, I can see arguments both ways in a purely election winning way. If the Lib Dems had their house in order to threaten in the south of the country, I'd say Johnson would be a lame duck and you'd need a more traditional Tory, who gives off an aura of not being a corrupt buffoon. As they don't, however...Better chance than anyone else I reckon. A lot easier to fight a classic Tory than someone who steals half your clothes. Johnson is pro net zero, pro spending, charismatic. Nightmare to position yourself against as a left wing party.
Better chance than anyone else I reckon. A lot easier to fight a classic Tory than someone who steals half your clothes. Johnson is pro net zero, pro spending, charismatic. Nightmare to position yourself against as a left wing party.
'Mr Johnson is the most popular Prime Minister ever'
'No one cares about parties'
It will in the end if he survives - he has some procedural issues to overcome still - be down to the normal things at an election time - not jelly and ice cream 3 years ago. Will Starmer still be mentioning it then - probably
There will be something else after the parties. He's incapable of conducting himself properly.People are bored with party gate already
There will be something else after the parties. He's incapable of conducting himself properly.
Better chance than anyone else I reckon. A lot easier to fight a classic Tory than someone who steals half your clothes. Johnson is pro net zero, pro spending, charismatic. Nightmare to position yourself against as a left wing party.
Not leaks, something totally different. He's a shambles of a man. He'll find something to shoot himself in the foot with.Three years of leaks - I highly doubt it
I honestly don't know, I can see arguments both ways in a purely election winning way. If the Lib Dems had their house in order to threaten in the south of the country, I'd say Johnson would be a lame duck and you'd need a more traditional Tory, who gives off an aura of not being a corrupt buffoon. As they don't, however...
On the minus side, he's becoming more and more a joke who people don't trust. On the plus side, people undoubtedly vote for him whatever he does(!) and he does have the Blairs about him in that, as you say, how do you oppose him without going more extreme, and thus less trustworthy in the eyes of many? Was the issue Corbyn had, that they had to show they'd spend even more, and offer even more freebies which meant they lurched from a 2017 manifesto which pitched it about right in my view for a Labour Party, to one that people didn't believe.
To a degree, Starmer needs to stop trying to engage Johnson however. The 'battle' there is competency vs charisma, and just let people decide which they want without trying to win an argument... even if they do go for charisma! You won't 'win' in the normal way vs Johnson however. Send Rayner out to call him a twat, and stay out of it! The downside if Johnson goes however, is that Starmer's usp is competency, so if they get another suit in, people are historically more likely to trust the blue suit than the red suit.
He's about the only politician who could shag your wife and mum, and still get your vote however.Balanced view. I still think the next election will come down to competency. If Johnson is fighting it he needs to have delivered some tangible benefits as the negatives are there for all to see. I just can’t see enough positive news on the horizon for him to turn around public perception/opinion but as we keep saying a couple of years is a long time in politics.
He's about the only politician who could shag your wife and mum, and still get your vote however.
And tbf, there's a pretty high chance he *has* shagged your wife and mum...
(General you there, not specific)
He doesn't have Brexit to campaign on
He doesn't have 'not Jeremy Corbyn' yo campaign on
He's been seen to be partying while people couldn't say goodbye to their dying relatives
Cost of living is about to fuck millions of people over
He's not winning another election. Not to say the Tories won't, but Johnson definitely won't
I thought that was a decent gag to be fair. Johnson will know he’s carrying as well which is why it’s funny (not so much if he’s an Adonis). People need to chill out
The Tory line for at least the next three elections will be “Labour want to rejoin the EU” whoever is leader.
Given the recent figures about funding received from 'LevellingDownUp' compared to EU funding in red wall areas they may want to rethink that campaign line!
Is he a sucker or not?Tell this bloke it's just jelly and ice cream.
Nah he’s just being a twat
Given the recent figures about funding received from 'LevellingDownUp' compared to EU funding in red wall areas they may want to rethink that campaign line!
The support for Brexit has barely changed. Remains lead in polls has come from dont knows collapsing and breaking almost exclusively for remain. Which suggests the base Johnson got elected on still exists and likely in the areas he needs it to.
Yeah but I'm not talking about now, I'm talking about in a few years time. When people become very aware of the funding cuts and the cost of living is fucking people over.
Balanced view. I still think the next election will come down to competency. If Johnson is fighting it he needs to have delivered some tangible benefits as the negatives are there for all to see. I just can’t see enough positive news on the horizon for him to turn around public perception/opinion but as we keep saying a couple of years is a long time in politics.
in the north he will still be seen as the man who got brexit over the line and Starmer the man who wanted to stop it
And my point is in a few years time there's a good chance that being seen as the man who got Brexit over the line will not be a good thing.
I think you, and many others, grossly underestimate just how hard Brexit is going to fuck many people over.
Yeah but I'm not talking about now, I'm talking about in a few years time. When people become very aware of the funding cuts and the cost of living is fucking people over.
Oh yeah like how people stopped supporting Right to Buy after it contributed to the housing crisis, oh wait.
All of that stuff is second order, no one who voted for Brexit is going to change their mind based on it, they’ll just blame covid, or the government, or the EU like we saw with supply chain issues. Sunk cost fallacy is strong.
Hmm, and who won the election immediately after that?We'll see.
It'll be like the Iraq War. At the time the majority were in favour of it then however many years later you can't find a single person who says they were in favour of it.
We'll see.
It'll be like the Iraq War. At the time the majority were in favour of it then however many years later you can't find a single person who says they were in favour of it.
Hmm, I dunno. It's more nuanced than that really, but arguably Iraq marginalised Blair's voice, which led to Corbyn, Brexit, Johnson...Literally no one doesn’t vote Labour because of Iraq. The left don’t like it but vote anyway cos otherwise they’ll get Tories. The right don’t care. Brexit will be the same.
Labour need to stop hoping someone will hand them power on a silver platter and do the hard work of actually appealing to a majority of voters.
Your assumption is that in a couple of years time that will be seen as a positive for Boris and a negative for anyone else. The way brexit and project here is unfolding the exact opposite could be true.in the north he will still be seen as the man who got brexit over the line and Starmer the man who wanted to stop it
There are a fair few who are wedded to it whatever the best thing socially and economically, when looked at objectively. Hence why it happened in the first place!Your assumption is that in a couple of years time that will be seen as a positive for Boris and a negative for anyone else. The way brexit and project here is unfolding the exact opposite could be true.
Oh yeah like how people stopped supporting Right to Buy after it contributed to the housing crisis, oh wait.
All of that stuff is second order, no one who voted for Brexit is going to change their mind based on it, they’ll just blame covid, or the government, or the EU like we saw with supply chain issues. Sunk cost fallacy is strong.
Wish people would work out that the best way to marginalise the SNP is vote Labour. Sure, not immediately, but get a Labour UK government and half the point of the SNP vanishes.the vote Labour get SNP coalition
German economy grew by 2.7% in 2021 as country tackled supply chain issues, surging Covid cases
The German economy grew by 2.7% in 2021, despite another year of surging Covid-19 cases, pandemic-related restrictions and supply chain pressures.www.cnbc.com
sorry, couldn’t resist. There’s no doubt Brexit impacted supply chains but other countries inc USA and Germany are having a very bad time as well. The lump everything into Brexit box is inaccurate. I also think it’s as much reacting to the situation now rather than Brexit itself (which I think you’ve also highlighted before) and the government have been poor in this area
I agree that Johnson (if around) will go for the Starmer will reverse/soften Brexit line. This wont work in south, but might the further north you go. In addition, the vote Labour get SNP coalition
The interesting bit of data will be how those marginal seats, especially historical Labour, view brexit at the time of the next election. Wont need a large percentage of buyers remorse to swing seats back
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