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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (53 Viewers)

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Otis

Otis

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,026
Must be so scary for Ukrainians out there.

Hope he gets them out safely.
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,027
It's so sad. We thought we'd left these kind of events behind 80 years ago.
 
Terry_dactyl

Terry_dactyl

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,028
PVA said:
It's so sad. We thought we'd left these kind of events behind 80 years ago.
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Didn’t Russia invade Georgia about 10 years ago?
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,029
Terry_dactyl said:
Didn’t Russia invade Georgia about 10 years ago?
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They have been occupying part of the Ukraine since 2014 as well
 
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SBT

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,030
Evo1883 said:
Think about this ... Germany had the most advanced army in the world in 1939 .. Russians will fight to the death to protect their country .

It's a war best left alone

They wont just roll over, it's why the west always give them a wide birth and not countries like Iraq

You only have to look at Vietnam to understand technology doesn't win every war
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I was listening to a fascinating talk on Nazi Germany’s war economy just yesterday. It’s an hour long, but well worth it. Long story short, it argues that Germany wasn’t anywhere near as advanced economically as its opponents.

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Back in 2015 at NYMAS - the fabulous New York Military Affair Symposium - I was invited to give a retrospective talk on Wages of Destruction.
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David O'Day

David O'Day

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,031
SBT said:
I was listening to a fascinating talk on Nazi Germany’s war economy just yesterday. It’s an hour long, but well worth it. Long story short, it argues that Germany wasn’t anywhere near as advanced economically as its opponents.

adamtooze.substack.com

Chartbook Audio: The synthesis of materialism and myth - a Wages of Destruction seance

Back in 2015 at NYMAS - the fabulous New York Military Affair Symposium - I was invited to give a retrospective talk on Wages of Destruction.
adamtooze.substack.com adamtooze.substack.com
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It wasn't and it was doomed as soon as the US entered the war

Russia are unlikely to spunk the lives of 8 and a half million soldiers lives on this
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,032
Deleted member 9744 said:
Suspect China will now feel emboldened to steam into Taiwan.
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This is far more of an issue/concern than Xi taking Russians side in a conflict he ultimately has no interest in. Our/the Wests reaction to this will probably determine Taiwans future

Ps thank god Germany sent an he Ukrainians 5000 helmets ! Let’s hope they’ve got some more balls when it comes to sanctions
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,033
Terry_dactyl said:
Didn’t Russia invade Georgia about 10 years ago?
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Of course but the whole pretext of this invasion is eerily similar to WW2 and the potential scale of it is bigger than anything seen in recent times.

(I'm not suggesting this is going to lead to WW3, by the way.)
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,034
CCFCSteve said:
Ps thank god Germany sent an he Ukrainians 5000 helmets ! Let’s hope they’ve got some more balls when it comes to sanctions
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The helmets thing is a bit of a Daily Mail-esq headline.

I agree they have been weak but Post war Germany was discouraged from developing any military power. It's a bit rich for the countries that imposed that to now complain they are not showing military muscle.

Germany is also Ukraine's biggest donor.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,035
The UK and US politicians have zero credibility in issuing sanctions to Russia when they continue to accept Russian money to fund their own interests.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,036
CCFCSteve said:
This is far more of an issue/concern than Xi taking Russians side in a conflict he ultimately has no interest in. Our/the Wests reaction to this will probably determine Taiwans future

Ps thank god Germany sent an he Ukrainians 5000 helmets ! Let’s hope they’ve got some more balls when it comes to sanctions
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It’s us who need the balls when it comes to sanctions. Let’s see what happens. The government is very close to Russians who are considered security risks by British intelligence. Especially the PM who himself is considered a security risk by British intelligence because of his historical and current association with those oligarchs. That’s before you even go into how London is Russias laundry.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,037
PVA said:
The helmets thing is a bit of a Daily Mail-esq headline.

I agree they have been weak but Post war Germany was discouraged from developing any military power. It's a bit rich for the countries that imposed that to now complain they are not showing military muscle.

Germany is also Ukraine's biggest donor.
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It’s also worth noting that the people of Germany are opposed to any military involvement preferring sanctions.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,038
The pressing issues of our time

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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,039
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The pressing issues of our time

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Russia is invading a sovereign country but kids eating healthier is everything that’s wrong with the world.
 

David O'Day

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,040
skybluetony176 said:
It’s also worth noting that the people of Germany are opposed to any military involvement preferring sanctions.
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The Ukraine government are only asking for Military aid, sanctions and economic aid to rebuild post any conflict. They are not asking for any combat action from the West.
 

Evo1883

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,041
Alot of Russians living in Europe too , be mindful of that
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,042
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I fear this is only going one way now. Putin´s comments are extremely alarming. Thoughts with them all. I really hope this doesn´t escalate any more, but it seems like one man has lost the plot and is thirsty for trouble.

My football manager is from Ukraine and he has gone back to get his family out.
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Make sure he only takes them to the next safe country and not where he has built a life for them already.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,043
skybluetony176 said:
Russia is invading a sovereign country but kids eating healthier is everything that’s wrong with the world.
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The comments section is without any sense of irony criticising the headteacher’s hair when their idol hasn’t used a comb in his life
 

David O'Day

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,044
Evo1883 said:
Alot of Russians living in Europe too , be mindful of that
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What does that have to do with anything unless you are heading down the frankly fucked up WW2 view of seeing all people from one country as the enemy
 

Evo1883

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,045
David O'Day said:
What does that have to do with anything unless you are heading down the frankly fucked up WW2 view of seeing all people from one country as the enemy
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No it's an interesting point , how would the thousands of Russians living in Europe react to armies of the countries they live in fighting their own country
 

David O'Day

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,046
Evo1883 said:
No it's an interesting point , how would the thousands of Russians living in Europe react to armies of the countries they live in fighting their own country
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they'd do what most people would do and follow it on the news

There's also a lot of westerners who live in Russia
 

Evo1883

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,047
David O'Day said:
they'd do what most people would do and follow it on the news

There's also a lot of westerners who live in Russia
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A war won't happen anyway david .. nato will back off as always so it's all hypothetical
 

David O'Day

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,048
Evo1883 said:
A war won't happen anyway david .. nato will back off as always so it's all hypothetical
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Russia are more likely to back off. The Ukraine aren't asking for western/nato military intervention

The west will fuck the Russian economy
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,049
David O'Day said:
Russia are more likely to back off. The Ukraine aren't asking for western/nato military intervention

The west will fuck the Russian economy
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I take it the West will be deporting every billionaire and oligarch on their soil then.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,050
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I take it the West will be deporting every billionaire and oligarch on their soil then.
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Josep Borrel was talking about seizing all their assests
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,051
David O'Day said:
Josep Borrel was talking about seizing all their assests
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Let’s see if it happens and if the Tories return all those donations.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,052
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Let’s see if it happens and if the Tories return all those donations.
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Sanctions would be better placed attacking the actual russian economy. Sadly kicking an already very rich people out of a Mayfair flat isn't going to have my effect
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,053
PVA said:
The helmets thing is a bit of a Daily Mail-esq headline.

I agree they have been weak but Post war Germany was discouraged from developing any military power. It's a bit rich for the countries that imposed that to now complain they are not showing military muscle.

Germany is also Ukraine's biggest donor.
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It was a bit tongue in cheek. They did however refuse to provide any military equipment to help Ukraine defend themselves potentially due to historical issues but also probably due to gas reliance (there was an interesting article in the times about Germany/Russian relationship in particular the gas supplies)

I agree with the other comments on here about us being strong with sanctions. I expect us to be freezing Russian assets especially if there’s any line of sight to the Kremlin.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,054
David O'Day said:
The Ukraine government are only asking for Military aid, sanctions and economic aid to rebuild post any conflict. They are not asking for any combat action from the West.
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Yeah, they can’t really ask for help from us militarily otherwise it would potentially turn into a nuclear conflict
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,055
CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, they can’t really ask for help from us militarily otherwise it would potentially turn into a nuclear conflict
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What if a full invasion happens? Would we still not intervene on the basis of a nuclear threat?

All is well and good saying ‘but he won’t’, yet if he does he’s in a position to invade from 3 directions.
 

David O'Day

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,056
CCFCSteve said:
It was a bit tongue in cheek. They did however refuse to provide any military equipment to help Ukraine defend themselves potentially due to historical issues but also probably due to gas reliance (there was an interesting article in the times about Germany/Russian relationship in particular the gas supplies)

I agree with the other comments on here about us being strong with sanctions. I expect us to be freezing Russian assets especially if there’s any line of sight to the Kremlin.
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The have a long standing policy of not exporting "lethal weapons"
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,057
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What if a full invasion happens? Would we still not intervene on the basis of a nuclear threat?

All is well and good saying ‘but he won’t’, yet if he does he’s in a position to invade from 3 directions.
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I don’t think we can intervene militarily
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,058
I wonder if ther Germans will relent & finally give up on Nord Stream 2....... They've got a lot to lose either way.
 

David O'Day

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,059
It's not going to turn into a Nuclear conflict lads even Putin can grasp mutually assured destruction

also the wests nuclear arsenal is in far better knick than russias
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 22, 2022
  • #11,060
CCFCSteve said:
I don’t think we can intervene militarily
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Then really he could conquer Ukraine without much security concern
 
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