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duffer · May 6, 2022

I predict the Tories will get a proper hammering in the next GE, though possibly not enough to get beyond a hung parliament.

But it's nothing to do with any of the economic or political arguments any of us could make, it'll be purely this phrase:

"It's time for a change".

That's it. Crappiest reason ever, but if Boris can get elected purely on the utterly vacous "Get Brexit Done!", this will work for Starmer in the absence of any actual policies.

I'll bet they're printing the T-shirts now.

I'm not saying it's right, but I think that it's the level that politics in this country is at.

Sick Boy · May 6, 2022

duffer said:
I predict the Tories will get a proper hammering in the next GE, though possibly not enough to get beyond a hung parliament.

But it's nothing to do with any of the economic or political arguments any of us could make, it'll be purely this phrase:

"It's time for a change".

That's it. Crappiest reason ever, but if Boris can get elected purely on the utterly vacous "Get Brexit Done!", this will work for Starmer in the absence of any actual policies.

I'll bet they're printing the T-shirts now.

I'm not saying it's right, but I think that it's the level that politics in this country is at.

All of the slogans since 2016 have been empty and vacuous, summing up British politics perfectly.

David O'Day · May 6, 2022

Liquid Gold said:
Bunham is a conundrum to me.

He's about the perfect mix of left and centre and straight talking that you want to see now. I would likely vote for him.

But when he ran in 2015 he was about as bland estate agent suit politician as you can imagine.

He's also far too comfortable in his current role

Liquid Gold · May 6, 2022

fernandopartridge said:
It isn't even true on its own terms

I think it just goes straight to looking at your tax rate and forgetting the rest.

Obviously There are people who vote for conservative for ideological reasons too. I find them more open to a debate/discussion though.

My other half’s cousin is dyed in the wool blue because of small government reasons and he’s always open about it.

David O'Day · May 6, 2022

Boris Johnson looks to be in trouble with these local election results

Analysis: When senior Tories warned they could lose Wandsworth and Westminster it sounded like expectations management. But lose them they did

www.theguardian.com

duffer · May 6, 2022

Liquid Gold said:
I think it just goes straight to looking at your tax rate and forgetting the rest.

Obviously There are people who vote for conservative for ideological reasons too. I find them more open to a debate/discussion though.

My other half’s cousin is dyed in the wool blue because of small government reasons and he’s always open about it.

Smallest government in the world, Somalia. Ask him how that's working out for them.

C'mon LG, I know he's family but you can bury him on this. Two footer, now.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · May 6, 2022

Evo1883 said:
By the way , there are still people sticking up for Boris on social media ..

One went as far as to say the elderly woman should downsize and sell her house , this is what we are fighting against

Very few people actually think like that.

I have said it before but there needs to be some acceptance here. Labour have been handed open goal after open goal yet they continously fail to take it.

None of these cunts represent me at all.

Liquid Gold · May 6, 2022

duffer said:
Smallest government in the world, Somalia. Ask him how that's working out for them.

C'mon LG, I know he's family but you can bury him on this. Two footer, now.

Smartest man I know at times, partner in an architecture firm. Dunce at other times.

PVA · May 6, 2022

My dad is a dyed in the wool Tory and thinks if Labour get in, at least under Corbyn he thought this, that it'd be like the 1970s where everyone is on strike and there's rubbish piling up in the streets.

Which funnily enough is exactly what's happening today, under his favoured Tory government.

He does at least think Johnson is a bumbling idiot.

Grendel · May 6, 2022

Liquid Gold said:
It’s because generally the reason for voting for conservative is ‘they make me and my family better off’ and most people don’t want to admit other people and other issues don’t matter to them.

Labour has an identity crises

At the leadership debates the question “who was the best labour leader” it was cringe

The answer of course is Blair but none of them would say it. It was I suspect also a challenge for a couple as they didn’t know very many.

Tories wouldn’t be ashamed to say Thatcher or Churchill

At least if Starmer admitted he’s the heir to Blair a centrist politician to look after all classes it would help. He won’t do it though and the fact labour want to pretend their only real successful period in British politics never actually happened is clearly detrimental

PVA · May 6, 2022

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Labour have been handed open goal after open goal yet they continously fail to take it.

They've gone from 11 points behind to being 8 points in front, I'd say that's pretty good progress wouldn't you?

Grendel · May 6, 2022

PVA said:
My dad is a dyed in the wool Tory and thinks if Labour get in, at least under Corbyn he thought this, that it'd be like the 1970s where everyone is on strike and there's rubbish piling up in the streets.

Which funnily enough is exactly what's happening today, under his favoured Tory government.

He does at least think Johnson is a bumbling idiot.

Well the rubbish on the streets is a local authority issue. There is rubbish piling on the streets in Coventry and it’s labour run local authority

Grendel · May 6, 2022

PVA said:
They've gone from 11 points behind to being 8 points in front, I'd say that's pretty good progress wouldn't you?

In 2013 they had a 11 point lead didn’t they?

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · May 6, 2022

PVA said:
They've gone from 11 points behind to being 8 points in front, I'd say that's pretty good progress wouldn't you?

I'm not getting pulled into arguments by labour lovers or tory cronies.

I'm making the point that neither represent me and considering how bad the tories have been for so long, no, I wouldn't say Labour have made anywhere near enough progress to topple that.

Liquid Gold · May 6, 2022

Grendel said:
Labour has an identity crises

At the leadership debates the question “who was the best labour leader” it was cringe

The answer of course is Blair but none of them would say it. It was I suspect also a challenge for a couple as they didn’t know very many.

Tories wouldn’t be ashamed to say Thatcher or Churchill

At least if Starmer admitted he’s the heir to Blair a centrist politician to look after all classes it would help. He won’t do it though and the fact labour want to pretend their only real successful period in British politics never actually happened is clearly detrimental

Attlee

Grendel · May 6, 2022

Liquid Gold said:
Attlee

That’s what a privileged public school education does for you and at least he wasn’t ashamed to admit he had it

skybluetony176 · May 6, 2022

Sick Boy said:
He can frame it as him against the establishment and the cap doffers will fall for it.

That rhetoric has been going on a while now. It’s pretty evident that the Rwanda immigration deal was purely done as a set up to fail policy. Liberal Lefty lawyers apparently have a different set of Laws hidden up their sleeves to ruin it. Farage is saying that Brexit wasn’t done because we’re still in the ECHR, that’s the ECHR which is part of the Council of Europe, Winston Churchill’s idea and which started in 1949 by the 10 founding members of which we were one. Nothing to do with brexit.

CCFCSteve · May 6, 2022

Evo1883 said:
It became fashionable to hate on Labour, I admit I too was caught up I'm it , I suppose it's only when you see the sheer shit hole we now find ourselves heading towards that you realise its a bit more serious than " he's a funny fat twat HAHAHAHHA old Boris me old mukka" and we need real leadership and Compassion in this country not the fucking waster we have now

Post Brown for a bit maybe, that was post financial crisis and after three Labour election victories but I’d say almost the opposite more recently. It’s was fashionable to vote for Corbyn for a while (bizarre but true - ‘ohhh Jeremy Corbyn’ at Glasto) and definitely ‘fashionable’ to hate Tories, just look at social media.

shmmeee · May 6, 2022

duffer said:
I predict the Tories will get a proper hammering in the next GE, though possibly not enough to get beyond a hung parliament.

But it's nothing to do with any of the economic or political arguments any of us could make, it'll be purely this phrase:

"It's time for a change".

That's it. Crappiest reason ever, but if Boris can get elected purely on the utterly vacous "Get Brexit Done!", this will work for Starmer in the absence of any actual policies.

I'll bet they're printing the T-shirts now.

I'm not saying it's right, but I think that it's the level that politics in this country is at.

Governments have always lost elections here rather than oppositions winning them TBF.

Philosoraptor · May 6, 2022

Significant new information, says the police

Sir Keir Starmer investigated over alleged lockdown breach

Police say they have new information about a visit during which the Labour leader drank beer in an MP's office.

www.bbc.co.uk

Grendel · May 6, 2022

Case being re-opened

Exclusive: Sir Keir Starmer to be investigated by Durham police over 'beergate'

Durham Constabulary had previously said they did not believe the Labour leader had breached coronavirus rules

www.telegraph.co.uk

Philosoraptor · May 6, 2022

Obviously, if fined, then we should expect his resignation.

Grendel · May 6, 2022

Philosorapter said:
Obviously, if fined, then we should expect his resignation.

No as once doesn’t matter

Sadiq Khan admits 'equivalence' between Beergate and PM's birthday

Sadiq Khan gave a distinctly half-hearted defence of Keir Starmer suggesting the main difference was that the Labour leader only broke lockdown once.

www.dailymail.co.uk

PVA · May 6, 2022

How convenient that story appears just as the Torys get a pasting in the locals.

Grendel · May 6, 2022

PVA said:
How convenient that story appears just as the Torys get a pasting in the locals.

Haven’t the Durham police issued a statement saying they didn’t want to confirm until after the election?

Philosoraptor · May 6, 2022

Liquid Gold · May 6, 2022

How does Andy Burnham fancy Holborn & St Pancras?

skybluetony176 · May 6, 2022

Philosorapter said:
Obviously, if fined, then we should expect his resignation.

Obviously. It’s really not as complicated as Boris, the cabinet and the majority right wing press are trying to make out. Boris broke the law so he should resign, if Starmer is found to have broken the law he should resign.

Grendel · May 6, 2022

Liquid Gold said:
How does Andy Burnham fancy Holborn & St Pancras?

I’d avoid beer and curries if I was him

David O'Day · May 6, 2022

the new info is the video that doesn't show any law breaking

cry more

Grendel · May 6, 2022

David O'Day said:
the new info is the video that doesn't show any law breaking

cry more

As Sir Beer didn’t recognise Red Ange at the party (sorry business meeting at 10 pm when indoor handling of take outs of more than two people was against COVID rules ) was she wearing a hat or had he had even more Sir Beers than you today?

David O'Day · May 6, 2022

it seems the investigation is to appease and shut up the tories

sorry greeners and that weird graph kid - no fine coming at all

David O'Day · May 6, 2022

Grendel · May 6, 2022

David O'Day said:
it seems the investigation is to appease and shut up the tories

sorry greeners and that weird graph kid - no fine coming at all

“greeners” dear me the white lightening is going down well today

Grendel · May 6, 2022

Out of interest does anyone think Dominic Cummings commuted a crime by going to Barnard Castle?

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