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fatso · Jun 15, 2022

PVA said:
It certainly hasn't acted as a deterrent so far.

Yesterday (or one day this week, not sure which) had the highest number of channel crossings for 2 months.

Just a random thought, but why can't we process their assylum/immigration request in Calais, that way they might be less inclined to risk life and limb crossing the worlds busiest shipping lane, and might stop them using the services of people traffickers.
Those who do then cross the chanel can automatically be treated as failed asylum seekers and can then be repatriated straight away, without any legal challenges.

I know this is a very simplistic proposition, but it must of been in effect at some stage, so what changed? Is it down to demand for entry to the UK outstripping the agreed quota system? Or has something else happened? And why travel across Europe to try and be smuggled into the UK specifically?

fatso · Jun 15, 2022

skybluetony176 said:
The government could start by dealing with the real big issue for illegal immigration. Visa overstay. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are through Visa overstay, in other words they arrive at Heathrow or wherever with a valid short stay visa, clear customs and then disappear, presumably into the black employment market for the majority of them. Start by A) acknowledging that then B) dealing with that.

The people coming by dingy represent a fraction of arrivals, an even smaller percentage will have no genuine claim for refugee status, something like 65% of them successfully claim asylum. Including a young man from Syria who came by boat, successfully claimed asylum, finished his education here and then last year was voted NHS doctor of the year. If the government were serious about stopping the boats they’d open asylum claims in France and then give anyone successful safe passage. The current system doesn’t work as the Ukrainian refugee crisis has highlighted. Thousands of Ukrainians are currently stranded on the continent waiting to be placed with either family or sponsors already based in the UK, the government promised months ago to sort it by making the process simpler and quicker for them. They haven’t.

Unfortunately we have a government who think the electorate is stupid so as long as they whip up hysterical paranoia and trick the people they think are stupid into believing that they are the only ones who can save them they’ll keep voting for them. It’s pure Trumpism.

Thanks for that Tony, it's certainly a policy that's not currently fit for purpose.

skybluetony176 · Jun 15, 2022

fatso said:
Fuck me, I hope they like Rwander!!!

I can see why the government might see this as some kind of deterant, but Jesus h christ its no fucking solution!

Over 28000 people crossed the channel in boats last year, the government were going to send a plain with 7 passengers on it yesterday. If I was trying to get to the UK to claim asylum I’d take those odds. There’s also the small issue that apparently 69 asylum seekers were leaving Rwanda on the return journey so in reality all the flight would have done was raised the number of asylum seekers in the UK by 62.

Only someone who considers you a moron would suggest that this is a deterrent and to be blunt only a moron would buy it.

fatso · Jun 15, 2022

skybluetony176 said:
Over 28000 people crossed the channel in boats last year, the government were going to send a plain with 7 passengers on it yesterday. If I was trying to get to the UK to claim asylum I’d take those odds. There’s also the small issue that apparently 69 asylum seekers were leaving Rwanda on the return journey so in reality all the flight would have done was raised the number of asylum seekers in the UK by 62.

Only someone who considers you a moron would suggest that this is a deterrent and to be blunt only a moron would buy it.

Lol, well I hope they can come up with a plan B

skybluetony176 · Jun 15, 2022

fatso said:
Just a random thought, but why can't we process their assylum/immigration request in Calais, that way they might be less inclined to risk life and limb crossing the worlds busiest shipping lane, and might stop them using the services of people traffickers.
Those who do then cross the chanel can automatically be treated as failed asylum seekers and can then be repatriated straight away, without any legal challenges.

I know this is a very simplistic proposition, but it must of been in effect at some stage, so what changed? Is it down to demand for entry to the UK outstripping the agreed quota system? Or has something else happened? And why travel across Europe to try and be smuggled into the UK specifically?

It is a simplistic solution. The reason the government don’t do it is by choice. People have lots of reasons to cross other countries to get to the UK, could be something as basic as they speak English (our language is and always has been our most successful export) but I understand that the driving factor is reuniting with friends and family already here.

Also worth noting that we take far less asylum seekers than the majority of European countries so the notion that gets banded around that we do more than our fair share is also nonsense.

skybluetony176 · Jun 15, 2022

fatso · Jun 15, 2022

skybluetony176 said:

It's hard to disagree with that.

Evo1883 · Jun 15, 2022

Absolutely correct , this Rwanda policy is a shame on Britain ffs what's the matter with the cunting government

Deleted member 9744 · Jun 15, 2022

fatso said:
Fuck me, I hope they like Rwander!!!

I can see why the government might see this as some kind of deterant, but Jesus h christ its no fucking solution!

Oh and by the way we are paying. And it's a lot.

clint van damme · Jun 15, 2022

Just exchanged some Sterling for Dollars, (u fortunately I'm not going anywhere, got them as a pressie fr someone), didn't realise the pound was so badly on its arse.

Evo1883 · Jun 15, 2022

clint van damme said:
Just exchanged some Sterling for Dollars, (u fortunately I'm not going anywhere, got them as a pressie fr someone), didn't realise the pound was so badly on its arse.

Country is on its arse mate

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 15, 2022

clint van damme said:
Just exchanged some Sterling for Dollars, (u fortunately I'm not going anywhere, got them as a pressie fr someone), didn't realise the pound was so badly on its arse.

If you’re sending them to the US it’s more a punishment than a gift

Sky Blue Pete · Jun 15, 2022

Evo1883 said:
Absolutely correct , this Rwanda policy is a shame on Britain ffs what's the matter with the cunting government

It’s a popular policy majority of citizens agree with it that’s the shame

Ian1779 · Jun 15, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s a popular policy majority of citizens agree with it that’s the shame

Is it?

Polling might suggest it is within a small cohort of active people registered with polling agencies. I don’t think this is the kind of poll you can extrapolate up across the population.

Sick Boy · Jun 15, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s a popular policy majority of citizens agree with it that’s the shame

Not sure that’s the case?

skybluetony176 · Jun 15, 2022

Lord Geitd has just resigned from the government as an ethics advisor. Maybe he’s just realised that this government doesn’t have any.

David O'Day · Jun 15, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s a popular policy majority of citizens agree with it that’s the shame

is it

CCFCSteve · Jun 15, 2022

clint van damme said:
Just exchanged some Sterling for Dollars, (u fortunately I'm not going anywhere, got them as a pressie fr someone), didn't realise the pound was so badly on its arse.

Everything is against the dollar. The Fed just raised rates by 0.75% and plan to keep aggressively rising over short term.

Post pandemic payback is coming and it’s going to be painful for everyone. Money printing, post pandemic demand/supply issues and the war has led to massive inflation which everyone’s struggling to control.

Continued interest rate rises and recession on the way for most by the looks of it.

PVA · Jun 15, 2022

skybluetony176 said:

Cooper is very good.

CCFCSteve · Jun 15, 2022

PVA said:
Cooper is very good.

I’ve always found her manner condescending (like a lot of politicians…including her opposite number but probably worse), however, she’s a decent operator/communicator and was a good addition to shadow front bench.

Sky Blue Pete · Jun 15, 2022

David O'Day said:
is it

Was a bbc interviewer so why am I surprised

David O'Day · Jun 15, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
Was a bbc interviewer so why am I surprised

Some polls have a small lead for support and some for oppose but there's no evidence that it is very popular as I am led to believe the 5ft catweazle would have you believe.

Philosoraptor · Jun 15, 2022

Boom, there it is.

Sky Blue Pete · Jun 15, 2022

Philosorapter said:
Boom, there it is.

He’ll be wrong and Boris will be ok

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 15, 2022

PVA said:
Cooper is very good.

Smarmer should take notes.

Philosoraptor · Jun 15, 2022

I hear she has still got a load of mugs to shift when she was shadow Home Secretary.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 15, 2022

Hahahaha

Philosoraptor · Jun 15, 2022

@Greggs

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 15, 2022

Just watching over PMQs. Why is the Criminal Clown banging on about 'Labour's rail strikes'?

SBAndy · Jun 15, 2022

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Just watching over PMQs. Why is the Criminal Clown banging on about 'Labour's rail strikes'?

Trying to create a narrative. It goes back to what D’OD said earlier, all they’re looking to do with all of this is start culture wars. It’s why Starmer’s spokesperson didn’t comment on the Rwanda situation - he says he’s against it and it’ll be spun into “they’re the party that want uncontrolled immigration”. It’s a really difficult balance as of course you want him to slam the policy but it then hands the opportunity to the Tories to create the narrative.

shmmeee · Jun 15, 2022

On public opinion on Rwanda, this is an interesting read. Seems we don’t think it’ll work in any way but support it anyway

Despite the outrage, the polls show support for Rwanda immigration plans

Having a plan, even with flaws, is better in public opinion terms than appearing to have no plan at all

inews.co.uk

skybluetony176 · Jun 15, 2022

shmmeee said:
On public opinion on Rwanda, this is an interesting read. Seems we don’t think it’ll work in any way but support it anyway

Despite the outrage, the polls show support for Rwanda immigration plans

Having a plan, even with flaws, is better in public opinion terms than appearing to have no plan at all

inews.co.uk

We’re a country of nasty cunts. It’s the only possible explanation.

skybluetony176 · Jun 15, 2022

SBAndy said:
Trying to create a narrative. It goes back to what D’OD said earlier, all they’re looking to do with all of this is start culture wars. It’s why Starmer’s spokesperson didn’t comment on the Rwanda situation - he says he’s against it and it’ll be spun into “they’re the party that want uncontrolled immigration”. It’s a really difficult balance as of course you want him to slam the policy but it then hands the opportunity to the Tories to create the narrative.

I’ll give it to the Tories, they’ve played a blinder on this conveniently ahead of next weeks by election in Wakefield. I fully expect them to hold onto this seat listening to interviews with local residents on the news.

shmmeee · Jun 16, 2022

skybluetony176 said:
I’ll give it to the Tories, they’ve played a blinder on this conveniently ahead of next weeks by election in Wakefield. I fully expect them to hold onto this seat listening to interviews with local residents on the news.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 16, 2022

SBAndy said:
Trying to create a narrative. It goes back to what D’OD said earlier, all they’re looking to do with all of this is start culture wars. It’s why Starmer’s spokesperson didn’t comment on the Rwanda situation - he says he’s against it and it’ll be spun into “they’re the party that want uncontrolled immigration”. It’s a really difficult balance as of course you want him to slam the policy but it then hands the opportunity to the Tories to create the narrative.

Being too cowardly to say what he thinks isn’t an appealing trait. There’s a fresh narrative there of ‘see he can’t even make his mind up’.

You wouldn’t think the sitting PM is a criminal who had just had 150 of his own MPs want him out. Smarmer has let him off the hook again and again and again and this episode is the latest example.

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