David O'Day
Well-Known Member
He's the main reason they lost Tiverton according to polling.
He's that much of any electoral drag opposition parties must secretly want him to lead the tories at the next GE
For everyone bar johnson
So how would it be convenient if he doesn't care?But we know that Johnson already has no credibility. He also has no morals. He wouldn't care how Starmer resigning would make him look, he'd just carry on as normal.
No FPN, Johnson stays until next election, I think a competent if dull man in a suit plays well against him. No FPN, Johnson leaves and, say, Jeremy Hunt takes over, voters tend to go for the blue man in a suit vs the red one. FPN, Starmer leaves, Labour get new leader bounce regardless of whether Johnson stays or goes, so can ameliorate him going to a certain extent. There's also something to be said for a gritty northern leader in opposition to southern-based Tory.Honestly think Starmer getting an FPN would work out well for Labour.
Seemingly no one is willing to come out and bat for Johnson this morning.
Put out the Dorries signal!
So how would it be convenient if he doesn't care?
It wouldn't, for the reasons I said above.Because Starmer resigning would be the perfect distraction from the by election hammering.
Dowden has resigned, I wonder if more will follow.
Also there are rumours that a FPN could be announced for Starmer today. Which would of course be incredibly convenient timing for the Tories and definitely not bent, no siree.
Got to agree with shmmee unless the party turns itself upside down electing a new leader
Honestly think Starmer getting an FPN would work out well for Labour.
Being emotive around veterans is yet another imported American culture war.I see your link and raise you
It wouldn't, for the reasons I said above.
That's a ridiculous thing to say. Johnson's the drag!You don't think Starmer resigning would distract from by election defeats?!
It'd obviously be headline news, the by elections wouldn't even get a mention.
It doesn't matter how it would reflect on Johnson
…..and who new leader is. I might be wrong but I always thought Starmer (still might if rumours are wrong) would deliver proper policy plans nearer to election. In which case he would 100% be electable, especially if against Johnson. NWs right though, if Tories replace Johnson with a boring but competent (not a given !!), he’d be up against it
Not as much as Starmer not resigning should he get a FPN would.You don't think Starmer resigning would distract from by election defeats?!
It'd obviously be headline news, the by elections wouldn't even get a mention.
It doesn't matter how it would reflect on Johnson
If the Tories get a new leader it’ll be game over for Starmer. They’re good at creating a narrative where they distance themselves from the previous administration, almost as though they’re a separate party…and depressingly people fall for it.I think you've mistaken the English electorate for people who give a fuck about policies. They don't.
Similarly, I think you've mistaken a man who looks half decent in a suit, with a tidy haircut, as someone fundamentally honest and trustworthy. He isn't.
What will do for the Tories is simply that the electorate (who primarily treat politics now as Love Island, but in formal dress), think it's time for a change.
On that basis it might be better for the Labour party to have a leader who actually stands for something and will genuinely drive change, rather than just another oily liar who will say anything to get himself elected.
I say this as a former Labour party member who voted for Starmer as the leader, and then watched him disregard every pledge that he made.
I'm glad that the Tories are getting a kicking at the moment, but anyone who thinks that the Labour party under Starmer will make any great difference to the direction of travel of this country is in for a bit of a surprise.
A new leader of the Tories without all of Johnson's baggage might be enough of a change for Tory voters to forget all of the shit things that their party does.
In that case Starmer is toast anyway; no one who's serious about politics can make a case based on non-existent policies, and he hasn't got enough charisma for the "game show" voters (who are in the majority anyway).
Rubbish. Why does anyone buy a house or flat rather than rent ? To better themselves.But it is pretty selfish ultimately, because it's only your offspring you're bothered about. If it gives your kids more but other kids end up suffering because of it, so be it. You got what YOU wanted.
I'm fine with people wanting to protect their kids and family - it's one of the most basic traits ingrained in us and many other species. A roof over their heads, food in their belly and being happy.
But at the same time I acknowledge that every single other person wants that too. I know there will be people who find this hard to fathom, but when I think of other people even though I don't know them I put myself into the position of if I did - if they were my nan, brother, mum - and what would I want for them. Because the alternative is looking at them and thinking "why should I give a fuck about them?", which is the mindset you're ultimately supporting. So while you're putting your own kids first, it would mean that every single other person doesn't give a shit about them. If your kids suffer so their family can have more then that's the way it's got to be. You're advocating a system whereby everyone else will be looking to take from your kids at any opportunity and not care about them. That seems like a very odd thing to desire for your children.
So instead why shouldn't I look at ways to achieve what every single one of us wants together, rather than fighting each other and everyone ending up being unhappy and huge numbers failing in such a basic task? You say how difficult it is for your kids to buy a home, and you're right. But is the problem there caused by people like yourself and your kids wanting to buy a home or the greedy bastards who own loads of them, use them to line their own pockets and still want more. But rather than try and make that situation better you're just playing their game armed like the Black Knight from Monty Python.
It's where Jeremy Hunt is high on the list of future leaders - has a profile, but not been in this cabinet so is a 'fresh start' even though he's caused a lot of the mess himself anyway!If the Tories get a new leader it’ll be game over for Starmer. They’re good at creating a narrative where they distance themselves from the previous administration, almost as though they’re a separate party…and depressingly people fall for it.
ThanksRubbish. Why does anyone buy a house or flat rather than rent ?
So perhaps for every £1 I give my kids I should give £1 to 10 strangers . That would be better for everyone.
Being emotive around veterans is yet another imported American culture war.
What do you mean by better themselves? I bought a house as I need somewhere to live.Rubbish. Why does anyone buy a house or flat rather than rent ? To better themselves.
Lynch just highlights how low are expectations are these days. When you break it down he just has a handle on the basic facts of what he's dealing with and nobody seems able to cope with that.It’s been funny watching Mick Lynch deal with these idiots and he has a tremendous way of putting them in their place.
What do you mean by better themselves? I bought a house as I need somewhere to live.
My rent was £950 a month for a house that was in a shit state of repair, I moved to an identical house on the same road, well actually not identical as this one has an extension, and the mortgage is £510 a month. The laughable part is how much trouble I had getting a mortgage as I kept being told £510 a month wasn't affordable.
What do you mean by better themselves? I bought a house as I need somewhere to live.
My rent was £950 a month for a house that was in a shit state of repair, I moved to an identical house on the same road, well actually not identical as this one has an extension, and the mortgage is £510 a month. The laughable part is how much trouble I had getting a mortgage as I kept being told £510 a month wasn't affordable.
Yep when I bought my first house I was paying £1300 a month in rent!! Yet only one provider would give me a £600/month mortgage.
Rubbish. Why does anyone buy a house or flat rather than rent ? To better themselves.
So perhaps for every £1 I give my kids I should give £1 to 10 strangers . That would be better for everyone.
I'm aware of that but that wasn't my motivation for buying a house hence why I queried the assertion that people only buy property to 'better themselves'.The property will ultimately increase in value and as the capital is paid down the property value in real terms becomes higher
I think you've mistaken the English electorate for people who give a fuck about policies. They don't.
Similarly, I think you've mistaken a man who looks half decent in a suit, with a tidy haircut, as someone fundamentally honest and trustworthy. He isn't.
What will do for the Tories is simply that the electorate (who primarily treat politics now as Love Island, but in formal dress), think it's time for a change.
On that basis it might be better for the Labour party to have a leader who actually stands for something and will genuinely drive change, rather than just another oily liar who will say anything to get himself elected.
I say this as a former Labour party member who voted for Starmer as the leader, and then watched him disregard every pledge that he made.
I'm glad that the Tories are getting a kicking at the moment, but anyone who thinks that the Labour party under Starmer will make any great difference to the direction of travel of this country is in for a bit of a surprise.
A new leader of the Tories without all of Johnson's baggage might be enough of a change for Tory voters to forget all of the shit things that their party does.
In that case Starmer is toast anyway; no one who's serious about politics can make a case based on non-existent policies, and he hasn't got enough charisma for the "game show" voters (who are in the majority anyway).
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