Ian1779
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More bollocks from Keith.
More bollocks from Keith.
Why's he going on about Tiverton as if Labour won that seat?
No, it was a fantastic result wasn't it ? No one voted for them.Are people actually claiming Tiverton was a bad result for Labour?
Imagine being as stupid as to think that the liberal democrats are part of some sort of 'progressive' alliance
Get to fucking fuck
I really don’t think it’s a good look for labour to taking them.
What a silly comparison though consistent with the 'voting as brand loyalty' vibes you see on here. To take your analogy further why would you bother standing a candidate?You'd think being a marketing guru at Jaguar/Land Rover, he'd know wasting all your effort and marketing budget on a customer base who is unlikely to buy one of the your cars is not clever.
The same goes with Politics, always has done. Even in the general election all parties will focus more effort on a winnable seats than one thats needs a large swing and not likely to vote for you.
They had likely done a bit of canvassing and focus groups in the area and got the sense people were leaving towards the Lib dems, and so concentrated on getting the red wall back.
Its not like the Tories didn't have a pact with the brexit party who pulled their candidates.
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Maybe, maybe not but it's a fucking terrible look for the tories if it happens.I really don’t think it’s a good look for labour to taking them.
Oh Grenners, that weird old soak
Block him
Just for clarity - did you see who came second in Tiverton in 2019?You'd think being a marketing guru at Jaguar/Land Rover, he'd know wasting all your effort and marketing budget on a customer base who is unlikely to buy one of the your cars is not clever.
The same goes with Politics, always has done. Even in the general election all parties will focus more effort on a winnable seats than one thats needs a large swing and not likely to vote for you.
They had likely done a bit of canvassing and focus groups in the area and got the sense people were leaving towards the Lib dems, and so concentrated on getting the red wall back.
Its not like the Tories didn't have a pact with the brexit party who pulled their candidates.
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What a silly comparison though consistent with the 'voting as brand loyalty' vibes you see on here. To take your analogy further why would you bother standing a candidate?
I really don’t think it’s a good look for labour to taking them.
Just for clarity - did you see who came second in Tiverton in 2019?
Whilst the idea to have this informal pact in this by-election was probably not the worst given what would be a lower turnout - but that’s going to hold up come a GE.
It’s definitely not a good look for the Tories but I don’t think traditional labour voters will appreciate it either, especially from the current crop of cult Tories.Maybe, maybe not but it's a fucking terrible look for the tories if it happens.
Be interesting to see where they are mps for if this is true
Likely Red Wall which tells you what they think of their chances of getting re-elected as tories
opposition parties will always take government party mps who defect to them.It’s definitely not a good look for the Tories but I don’t think traditional labour voters will appreciate it either, especially from the current crop of cult Tories.
opposition parties will always take government party mps who defect to them.
the optics nationally outweigh the cons
Also the former tories will have to be selected by the CLP if they want to stand again as Labour. The CLP can trigger ballot them if not.
He mentioned Tiverton once, in the context of both the Wakefield and Tiverton results suggest the UK want change away from a tory government.
Why's he going on about Tiverton as if Labour won that seat?
He mentioned Tiverton once, in the context of both the Wakefield and Tiverton results suggest the UK want change away from a tory government.
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I didn’t say it wasn’t a good thing - but if Labour were 40pts behind in 2nd then the Lib Dems were even further behind in 3rd.Yes Labour finsihed 2nd in 2019 but massively 2nd i.e almost 40 points behind so yes Labour not even trying in thsi election and their support voting for the best placed party to beat the tory is a good thing.
I didn’t say it wasn’t a good thing - but if Labour were 40pts behind in 2nd then the Lib Dems were even further behind in 3rd.
What does that look like in a GE is what I am saying. Number of votes will be much larger and even if the pact remains intact is it enough to keep the seat?
The article was about LabourHe mentioned Tiverton once, in the context of both the Wakefield and Tiverton results suggest the UK want change away from a tory government.
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It also means that while the Tories are focused on sowing division and hoping to feed off the fallout, Labour is now firmly in the centre ground of British politics. That’s not a place of mushy compromise or a halfway house between unpalatable extremes, but a centre ground driven by ethical purpose. It’s a place that is dedicated to answering the clarion call – sounded loudly and clearly in Wakefield and Tiverton and Honiton – of all those demanding real change to how our country works and on whose behalf it works. The next Labour government will take on those demands with a restless, reforming zeal. The most urgent mission, the one that will drive our agenda, is to change Britain’s economy so that everyone can contribute to, and benefit from, a new national prosperity.
Maggie Thatcher?When was the last time the Tories lost two bi elections in the same week?
Yes but it's easier for people who voted tory to switch to the lib dems so if the labour voters tactically vote for the lib dems then they potential ceiling is higher.I didn’t say it wasn’t a good thing - but if Labour were 40pts behind in 2nd then the Lib Dems were even further behind in 3rd.
What does that look like in a GE is what I am saying. Number of votes will be much larger and even if the pact remains intact is it enough to keep the seat?
Maggie Thatcher?
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Yes but it's easier for people who voted tory to switch to the lib dems so if the labour voters tactically vote for the lib dems then they potential ceiling is higher.
There will be plenty of southern seats where Labour finished a distant 2nd but the lib dems have a better chance of beating the tories
It’s just meaningless tosh from start to finish.The article was about Labour
Or is just saying vote for us or the Lib Dems it doesn't matter
Tbf, if that seat changed permanently it'd be a seismic shift so unlikely we're more likely to see Caroline Lucas as next PMView attachment 25075
So just by using these figures alone - it would take all Labour & LD voters plus at least 20% of that Tory vote to defect to keep it in the next GE.
Boris isn’t fit to tie Majors shoe laces though. Non of the current cabinet is fit to tie the shoe laces of any of Majors cabinet and the back benches just voted to remove Boris.no 1991 under John major - even dimwit major managed to win against the odds a year later against someone far better that the wet lettuce Starmer
no 1991 under John major - even dimwit major managed to win against the odds a year later against someone far better that the wet lettuce Starmer
I would think a hung parliament is the most likely outcome. It all depends on how much red wall labour can win back and how many seats the Tories lose elsewhere. The Tories losing swathes of seats at the next GE is the only thing I’d put money on at the moment.Should be a huge labour majority in 2025 then if this thread is right
Is this a swipe at Johnson?
I would think a hung parliament is the most likely outcome. It all depends on how much red wall labour can win back and how many seats the Tories lose elsewhere. The Tories losing swathes of seats at the next GE is the only thing I’d put money on at the moment.
The Tories are also simply waiting for the optimal point to replace him with a competent, non-criminal figure
You can only assume it is.Is this a swipe at Johnson?
No it’s referencing even Major managed A general election majority against that background. Neil Kinnock was a pretty good Labour leader who did balance the Union demands and recognised aspirations as well. His shadow cabinet especially Hattersley was strong.
A year later after major’s two defeats in a week he still lost. Starmer is pathetic he has nothing. The irony of course is if Corbyn hadn’t allowed Starmer his stupid Brexit fudge - which led to the election catastrophe- and admitted he wanted a hard Brexit and uk Job protectionism- he may have won why he caved in to Starmer and even allowed him in the shadow cabinet ive no idea
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