shmmeee
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Its such an uphill battle though, we saw it last time. Bringing in divisive policies that play to your weaknesses with voters isn’t smart.
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Its such an uphill battle though, we saw it last time. Bringing in divisive policies that play to your weaknesses with voters isn’t smart.
Ian1779
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Yeah I’m sure that will work out a storm…. he’s done such a sterling job so far in these areas.
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But it's not a particularly divisive policy, especially atm. If you're not going to do it when prices are obscene and affecting peoples' ability to function, when *is* the right time?
If we're assuming Labour 2019 was overly radical, I'd agree. 2017 played quite well though. You could argue 2017 with a less controversial and / or more articulate leader would have played even better.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Inb4 shmmeeee dismisses it as the Brexit election
Ian1779
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The irony being that Starmer will never get 13m votes.
clint van damme
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Hiding behind the pandemic, what a wanker
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It was, to an extent, and a more authoritative leader on that particular issue would have played better, too. It was also Johnson putting in spending plans, meaning Labour went mental with their's in return - a bit like when Tories went uber-righty when Blair claimed some of their ground.
So that lost a lot of their authority. The 2017 one, sure, among certain people was seen as spend spend spend, but it played reasonably well, and was reasonably balanced too, once the party had been able to filter what Corbyn may have wanted, through what was maybe realistic. If we accept that you move a bit more centre from 2017, there's still space for basic policy goals that can remain indeterminate, and be promised when the time is right - that's surely a better approach than dismissing them entirely for the period of a parliament.
Especially when, on the other side, the former Chancellor of the Exchequer is doing a fine job of rubbishing Truss's fiscal capabilities, and is making the case for higher tax to fund higher investment!
shmmeee
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I mean they were a lot about Brexit but also against a terrible Tory campaign and we didn’t win.
Yeah I think that’s a fair shout, I just wonder how much it’s been tainted by Corbyn in 2019 at this point.
The Tories attack is going to be “it’s still Corbyn” because they’re innovative like that, I can understand shying away from the most Corbyny policies.
Grendel
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Poor Sir Beer 
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The following letter will be sent to Kier Starmer. In signing we will add you to the total number of members calling for action but your details will be kept anonymous. Dear Keir Starmer, We, the undersigned, write to regretfully inform you that we no-longer have confidence your leadership...
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But rail nationalisation isn't just restricted to Corbyn. It's one thing where the leadership have often been at odds with the membership.
Rail vote embarrassment for Blair
The Labour leadership was snubbed this morning when it was revealed that the party's conference had ignored its calls and voted for renationalising the railways.
And as we've seen, following the members isn't necessarily the right thing to do, but this isn't an overly controversial policy among the public at large.
Poor Sir Beer
10 Broken Pledges
The following letter will be sent to Kier Starmer. In signing we will add you to the total number of members calling for action but your details will be kept anonymous. Dear Keir Starmer, We, the undersigned, write to regretfully inform you that we no-longer have confidence your leadership...
Was that written by a 12 year old?
Actually, did you write that?
Clearly not as it’s a labour member - calling labour members simple now are we
If someone is 'simple' then they are simple, doesn't matter what party they support.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Sir Beer had better get his kilt out quick. I guess another simple guy scribed this.
www.thenational.scot
'May as well be a Tory': Starmer squirms as Labour voter rages at broken promises
BORIS Johnson doesn’t like to be out in public in Scotland ... Keir Starmer has no such excuse, let alone in one of his party’s strongholds.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
But rail nationalisation isn't just restricted to Corbyn. It's one thing where the leadership have often been at odds with the membership.
Rail vote embarrassment for Blair
The Labour leadership was snubbed this morning when it was revealed that the party's conference had ignored its calls and voted for renationalising the railways.www.theguardian.com
And as we've seen, following the members isn't necessarily the right thing to do, but this isn't an overly controversial policy among the public at large.
No I agree. I just think the thinking is it invites comparisons. It’s a cornerstone left wing policy.
If it were me I’d be pushing it as a Brexit bonus and say we can take control of our energy now (I know that’s bollocks), but Starmer hasn’t the charisma to pull that off I don’t think. He’s going for boring and reliable against Tory chaos. Which is at least playing to his strengths.
Grendel
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I’m just illustrating your hypocrisy
Retarded - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms
Retarded is a word to describe someone who is mentally slow. This is a medical word that spread to slang, and is today considered very insulting and inappropriate.
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shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Sir Beer had better get his kilt out quick. I guess another simple guy scribed this.
'May as well be a Tory': Starmer squirms as Labour voter rages at broken promises
BORIS Johnson doesn’t like to be out in public in Scotland ... Keir Starmer has no such excuse, let alone in one of his party’s strongholds.
Ah…
Hmm…
Simple means not very intelligent. Which, judging by his writing, is quite accurate.
It's very different to retard and you know it.
Actually, I'm not sure you do. Because you think retard is acceptable.
Ian1779
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If you’re going to quote the JC - at least get all your bits together.
https://www.thejc.com/news/all/audrey-white-an-apology-1.497010?reloadTime=1653782400011
You have a problem. Seek help.
clint van damme
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The problem is some of them are so emotionally fragile they can't even deal with the rejection of getting banned from an Internet football forum
Grendel
Well-Known Member
But rail nationalisation isn't just restricted to Corbyn. It's one thing where the leadership have often been at odds with the membership.
Rail vote embarrassment for Blair
The Labour leadership was snubbed this morning when it was revealed that the party's conference had ignored its calls and voted for renationalising the railways.
And as we've seen, following the members isn't necessarily the right thing to do, but this isn't an overly controversial policy among the public at large.
I’ve said a nationalised railway system that focuses on servicing the public is a good policy especially if you want more of the public to use it as time moves on
It’s a truly bizarre U Turn
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Politically, surely the time to do it is when people are complaining about the service and the cost of something, too? When would be a better time?!?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Imagine if it were possible to scrap HS2 on top
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I fear that really has got too far now.
Otis
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What a shame. It seems an awful lot of money spent just to save a bit of time. Saving time on journeys seems great, but not at the cost it is going to prove to be.