Earlsdon_Skyblue1
Well-Known Member
People vote for what they think is the less of two evils.
You said people don't want to vote tory, but they are.
My question wasn't aimed at you personally but more why is anyone who doesn't like either party just not abstaining?
A bit of perspective here. 2015 was the first GE the Tories had won in more than 20 years. Post Brexit the entire country has been split almost exactly down the middle and the difference is mostly down to leaders and splitting of the vote.
In normal electoral times we’d be here just after the Tories had won a second term and crying about “the end of Labour” would be seen at the bed wetting/trolling it is.
But the northern seats were retained and even a good number of Scottish ones were regained.
I don't think it is quite as innocent as that.
Labour are a complete joke and it is their own doing.
People vote for what they think is the less of two evils.
I don't think it is quite as innocent as that.
Labour are a complete joke and it is their own doing.
But if you read the more recent pages of this thread no ones disputing it.
But pretty much every accusation, or something akin to it, can be thrown at tories but largely get ignored.
We’ve had 4 elections in 11 years, with a hugely divisive referendum added to the mix. We’ve got a voting system that is no longer fit for purpose, a media that does not and will not hold the incumbent government to any kind of scrutiny. Add to that a major political party that failed to uphold the very basic notion of respecting democracy at the last election and here you have this basket case. If this was another country in the world peoples how would we perceive it?It isn't at all, but the fact Labour keep consistently getting rejected by the electorate should show that there is a really, really big problem. Especially when the opposition are a bunch of cunts that those people probably don't really want to vote for either.
They have their most charismatic leader since Thatcher who has delivered two of the biggest voter priorities with huge approval ratings in two years. I cannot state enough just how unprecedented this is in politics.
We are very much in “I could shoot someone in Times Square” territory.
We’ve had 4 elections in 11 years, with a hugely divisive referendum added to the mix. We’ve got a voting system that is no longer fit for purpose, a media that does not and will not hold the incumbent government to any kind of scrutiny. Add to that a major political party that failed to uphold the very basic notion of respecting democracy at the last election and here you have this basket case. If this was another country in the world peoples how would we perceive it?
We are stuck with the Tories for the foreseeable future because they got one thing right. Labour needs to champion PR and mandatory open selection, and get about forming some kind of alliance that will work together as a collective.
But if you read the more recent pages of this thread no ones disputing it.
But pretty much every accusation, or something akin to it, can be thrown at tories but largely get ignored.
We’ve had 4 elections in 11 years, with a hugely divisive referendum added to the mix. We’ve got a voting system that is no longer fit for purpose, a media that does not and will not hold the incumbent government to any kind of scrutiny. Add to that a major political party that failed to uphold the very basic notion of respecting democracy at the last election and here you have this basket case. If this was another country in the world peoples how would we perceive it?
We are stuck with the Tories for the foreseeable future because they got one thing right. Labour needs to champion PR and mandatory open selection, and get about forming some kind of alliance that will work together as a collective.
As I've said before Netanyahu struggled in Israel despite leading the world in vaccinating the population.
Thats what happens when you have an electorate that actually give a fu k about corruption.
I think most people in the real world don't like either party very much. One is disliked more than the other and that's about it.
@Earlsdon_Skyblue1 id be interested in hearing more detail from you TBF. What makes them a joke in your eyes? Not here to argue, just curious.
OK - but how do you get MP’s to be accountable? How many Labour MP’s are representative of the constituencies they hold. This careerist model which seems to exist is how we ended up with the ‘all as bad as each other’ notion. Peter Bone is my local MP - done fuck all for this constituency for as long as he’s been here, and yet will hold it until he retires or dies.With you all the way until the last sentence. PR is a wild goose chase: you’ve got to win under FPTP first and voters couldn’t give a shit about it. Open selection would just turbo charge all the internal bollocks that holds Labour back. If anything we need more central management of candidates and less member involvement, as much as that’s blasphemy in the party.
Be honest though. It’s pretty lame corruption “oh I borrowed some money then paid it back for wallpaper”, hardly Netanyahu level is it?
I'm not a Tory lover, which is a common misconception a lot of Labour supporters who think I am because I don't agree with their opinion. I could list shit about them too, but as you asked, I think the biggest failure with Labour are their politicians. They aren't desirable to a lot of people.
Matt Hancock is about as undesirable as humanly possible.
Matt Hancock is about as undesirable as humanly possible.
If Im in a room with Hancock, Mogg and IDS and I've got a gun with two bullets, Hancock is walking out
She's an utter cretinNandy would be the best leader for Labour. A clean candidate who opposed Corbyn but remained loyal to traditional Labour values. The Labour Party would be mad to not vote her the next leader.
She's an utter cretin
If Im in a room with Hancock, Mogg and IDS and I've got a gun with two bullets, Hancock is walking out
Can you hear the drums Fernando?They all are Fernando!
Question is: is she a winning cretin?
(Probably not no)
If Im in a room with Hancock, Mogg and IDS and I've got a gun with two bullets, Hancock is walking out
IDS is so fucking cretinous - a man that celebrates winning a welfare sanctions vote like he’d just won the Champions Legaue. What a c**t.If Im in a room with Hancock, Mogg and IDS and I've got a gun with two bullets, Hancock is walking out
Laurence Fox?One last thing , left right whatever .
Is there a bigger bellend on social media than Terry Christian, what a little wankstain
That was worse than my daughter when I told her she couldn't have a tik tok account
We could use both as political doorstops to tell you when you've gone too far either wayLaurence Fox?
We could use both as political doorstops to tell you you've gone too far either way
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