Do you want to discuss boring politics? (21 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

100 pound wager ? Any charity

Let's be honest we will still be here talking bollocks then

£100 is a bit steep. Tenner?

 

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[Evo1883]

So why would hammering home the manifesto promises be a good idea?

Put it into people minds ...get people thinking ..otherwise you are just another politician .

You have resonate with people especially those you need to win

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think people are getting a little carried away. These are strange times with the pandemic and politics can change very quickly. If Labour get rid of starmer after a year it would be crazy (same as if Tories try to push Johnson out - I can’t see an alternative election winning leader in waiting...although Gove probably thinks he is !) Elections are all about match ups, does a May beat Starmer, doubt it

Labour just need to be seen to be listening to their (historical) core base. If there isn’t much ‘levelling up’ in the North by the next election they can win a lot of this support back.

Also, Johnson has always got a fuck up in him so, as I say, things can change very quickly

Ps it will be interesting to see if the current independence polling in Scotland is reflected in Thursdays results.

I think Labour could well become the opposition party again assuming that Sarwar keeps his recent good work going

 

[Evo1883]

Deleted my analogy , it was so bad that even I went red

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Deleted my analogy , it was so bad that even I went red

I'll be gracious and do likewise

 

[SomersetSB]

Labour may as well get Joe Anderson in he’s a nice law abiding nice guy!!

 

[Evo1883]

I'll be gracious and do likewise

Cheers mate , right back to football for me now , I like to think I have some knowledge in that area

 

[PVA]

But this argument doesn't stick when you consider Johnson's comments about the working class and that several members of the cabinet LITERALLY WROTE A BOOK slagging off the working class.

The double standards are ridiculous.

 

[clint van damme]

For now, they will have to answer to their failings in Scotland at some point

Lets hope the same applies to the tories.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Put it into people minds ...get people thinking ..otherwise you are just another politician .

You have resonate with people especially those you need to win

Corbyn was all about it, it made no difference.

My grandad was from a miner’s family in the NE, voted Labour his whole life despite ultimately becoming quite well off for most of it. His view was all around the idea that wealth in general should be more evenly shared and he was happy to pay a bit more in taxes as part of that. Then in 2019 that neck of the woods all goes Tory after having ruined the area economically and spending 10 years not investing in it.

Not going to lie I shed a tear when I saw those Co. Durham constituencies going blue and for Hartlepool to follow just makes me glad the old man isn’t around to see it. Such good people in that part of the world

 

[Ian1779]

The only thing I’m holding on to is the hope that there’s some kind of critical mass of left wing people fucked off with the screaming children that are the modern online left and we have some kind of Kinnock V Militant scenario where they all get kicked out or shut up, can’t see it though.

Can’t see a centrist party breaking through either. I worry it’ll be racists Vs snowflakes for good. Somethings got to give surely? The vast majority of people aren’t like either extreme.

There are lots of good and decent people that get categorised into this group. People that want parity and fairness, the chance of a decent life for all. When did it become so ‘loony’ to want everyone to have the chance to get on the housing ladder (or have enough houses at the very least), have a properly funded NHS and Education system? I know America is a basket case that calls universal healthcare ‘communism’ but is this where we are descending towards?

 

[clint van damme]

I forecast Scotland, NI or both will be gone by 2030.

I wouldn't say its inevitable but if one goes both will.

 

[Ian1779]

Corbyn was all about it, it made no difference.

My grandad was from a miner’s family in the NE, voted Labour his whole life despite ultimately becoming quite well off for most of it. His view was all around the idea that wealth in general should be more evenly shared and he was happy to pay a bit more in taxes as part of that. Then in 2019 that neck of the woods all goes Tory after having ruined the area economically and spending 10 years not investing in it.

Not going to lie I shed a tear when I saw those Co. Durham constituencies going blue and for Hartlepool to follow just makes me glad the old man isn’t around to see it. Such good people in that part of the world

For all his faults (and there were plenty) he did have a narrative that people wanted to listen to. Starmer would be in a stronger position if he didn’t try so hard to move away from some of his ideas.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I wouldn't say its inevitable but if one goes both will.

If one goes we’ll have 3 countries on one island in no time

 

[Evo1883]

The media did a good job on corbyn to be fair

 

[shmmeee]

The media did a good job on corbyn to be fair

Sort of. They were doing it 2015-2017 to no effect. It was only after the Skripol stuff when Corbyn went mental and started defending Russia that the public mood on him changed.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

There are lots of good and decent people that get categorised into this group. People that want parity and fairness, the chance of a decent life for all. When did it become so ‘loony’ to want everyone to have the chance to get on the housing ladder (or have enough houses at the very least), have a properly funded NHS and Education system? I know America is a basket case that calls universal healthcare ‘communism’ but is this where we are descending towards?

It isn't at all, but the fact Labour keep consistently getting rejected by the electorate should show that there is a really, really big problem. Especially when the opposition are a bunch of cunts that those people probably don't really want to vote for either.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The media did a good job on corbyn to be fair

Well the big thing in 2017 was Corbyn saying he’d respect the Brexit vote compared to 2019 when he’d lost the plot. 2017 was him at his best I think, with a great manifesto to go with it.

 

[clint van damme]

Sort of. They were doing it 2015-2017 to no effect. It was only after the Skripol stuff when Corbyn went mental and started defending Russia that the public mood on him changed.

And again you have to say, no one give the tories Russian connections that much scrutiny.
Johnson celebrated his election victory with Lebedev junior.
He plays tennis with oligarchs wives!

 

[clint van damme]

It isn't at all, but the fact Labour keep consistently getting rejected by the electorate should show that there is a really, really big problem. Especially when the opposition are a bunch of cunts that those people probably don't really want to vote for either.

So why vote for them?
Why not abstain?

 

[clint van damme]

Well the big thing in 2017 was Corbyn saying he’d respect the Brexit vote compared to 2019 when he’d lost the plot. 2017 was him at his best I think, with a great manifesto to go with it.

Yeah. He showed lot of weakness in 2019. Indisputable.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

So why vote for them?
Why not abstain?

I did abstain in the last one actually, stand down sir!

Know what you mean though.

 

[shmmeee]

It isn't at all, but the fact Labour keep consistently getting rejected by the electorate should show that there is a really, really big problem. Especially when the opposition are a bunch of cunts that those people probably don't really want to vote for either.

A bit of perspective here. 2015 was the first GE the Tories had won in more than 20 years. Post Brexit the entire country has been split almost exactly down the middle and the difference is mostly down to leaders and splitting of the vote.

In normal electoral times we’d be here just after the Tories had won a second term and crying about “the end of Labour” would be seen at the bed wetting/trolling it is.

 

[shmmeee]

Well the big thing in 2017 was Corbyn saying he’d respect the Brexit vote compared to 2019 when he’d lost the plot. 2017 was him at his best I think, with a great manifesto to go with it.

Bit of reality needed here too. 2017 was a Brexit election where half the country gave us their vote by default and we ran against the worst Tory GE campaign in living memory and still lost.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

A bit of perspective here. 2015 was the first GE the Tories had won in more than 20 years. Post Brexit the entire country has been split almost exactly down the middle and the difference is mostly down to leaders and splitting of the vote.

In normal electoral times we’d be here just after the Tories had won a second term and crying about “the end of Labour” would be seen at the bed wetting/trolling it is.

Because as Scotland showed when Labour loses heartland votes they never get them back.

 

[clint van damme]

I did abstain in the last one actually, stand down sir!

Know what you mean though.

You said people don't want to vote tory, but they are.
My question wasn't aimed at you personally but more why is anyone who doesn't like either party just not abstaining?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Bit of reality needed here too. 2017 was a Brexit election where half the country gave us their vote by default and we ran against the worst Tory GE campaign in living memory and still lost.

But the northern seats were retained and even a good number of Scottish ones were regained.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

You said people don't want to vote tory, but they are.
My question wasn't aimed at you personally but more why is anyone who doesn't like either party just not abstaining?

People vote for what they think is the less of two evils.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

A bit of perspective here. 2015 was the first GE the Tories had won in more than 20 years. Post Brexit the entire country has been split almost exactly down the middle and the difference is mostly down to leaders and splitting of the vote.

In normal electoral times we’d be here just after the Tories had won a second term and crying about “the end of Labour” would be seen at the bed wetting/trolling it is.

I don't think it is quite as innocent as that.

Labour are a complete joke and it is their own doing.

 

[shmmeee]

But the northern seats were retained and even a good number of Scottish ones were regained.

But we still lost. When it should’ve been easier to win. If Corbyn couldn’t win under those conditions we should’ve realised he’d never win.

 

[shmmeee]

I don't think it is quite as innocent as that.

Labour are a complete joke and it is their own doing.

The year 2001 called and it wants a word about the public perception of the Tories.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

People vote for what they think is the less of two evils.

 

[shmmeee]

@Earlsdon_Skyblue1 id be interested in hearing more detail from you TBF. What makes them a joke in your eyes? Not here to argue, just curious.

 

[clint van damme]

I don't think it is quite as innocent as that.

Labour are a complete joke and it is their own doing.

But if you read the more recent pages of this thread no ones disputing it.
But pretty much every accusation, or something akin to it, can be thrown at tories but largely get ignored.

 

[shmmeee]

But if you read the more recent pages of this thread no ones disputing it.
But pretty much every accusation, or something akin to it, can be thrown at tories but largely get ignored.

They have their most charismatic leader since Thatcher who has delivered two of the biggest voter priorities with huge approval ratings in two years. I cannot state enough just how unprecedented this is in politics.

We are very much in “I could shoot someone in Times Square” territory.