Agreed. I think we’ve missed the boat with nuclear unless mini reactors can be brought in quickly and cost effectively. Don’t know enough to comment in detail though
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Agreed. I think we’ve missed the boat with nuclear unless mini reactors can be brought in quickly and cost effectively. Don’t know enough to comment in detail though
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It's not an extreme position to consider both to be quite bad and not the solution...
Im not sure enough has ever been done with regard to fracking in particular to tell. Nuclear is so much safer than it was. As I’ve said though I have limited knowledge. The alternative is what we’ve got now….
Exactly, it’s all swings and roundabouts as we’re in same boat really….limited energy security, although Germany probably in worst position of all.
Without pointing the finger as our energy security is our own issue, Germanys over reliance on Russia rather than sort alternatives in the past has probably cost us and Europe. Big manufacturing economy all of a sudden coming into the market and needing to replace all their energy would’ve massively increased demand from our/europes market and therefore cost. We are where we are though
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Fracking is most definitely not an answer. Well unless you want
To keep churning carbon into the atmosphere
Earthquakes and sinkholes caused by destabilising the ground
Water contaminated with the chemical cocktail used in the process
Take a look over at the US where the contracts have been handed out like hot chips
skybluetony176
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Even then don’t we only have enough reserves from fracking for about 5 years supply? If we’re going to stretch out gas dependency we’d be better off by any measurement opening up more fields in the North Sea.
I’m actually amazed that no one has suggested it to replace Russian supplies into Europe either. Even as an environmentalist I be open to an adult conversation about that under certain conditions such as it is only a replacement for Russian gas so in theory there’s no increased carbon release over what there would have been anyway, the profits are used on green technology and renewable investment in the UK, it involves a commitment from any European countries using it to speed up their transition to renewables. Things of that nature.
skybluetony176
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A good example of the phoney culture war. 200 FOI request to find out 2 whole books have been black listed by the entire collective of UK’s universities and then turn it into a front page headline in the middle of a heatwave and drought, Tory leadership contest, mass strikes breaking out, the ongoing effects of the war in Ukraine including a cost of living crisis in the UK etc etc etc.
I’m old enough to remember when the Times was a serious newspaper tackling actual issues.
I’m old enough to remember when the Times was a serious newspaper tackling actual issues.
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So not enough to tell but some evidence not to proceed = an extremist nowadays?
skybluetony176
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Is she a remainer again or is she saving that for the 2024 GE?And yet another U-turn from Truss
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clint van damme
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It won't even produce much gas in this country.
It will make a few speculators rich but cause massive environmental damage.
The fact farage s lobbying for it should tell people everying they need to know.
I think k we need a serious, public owned, nuclear program.
Otis
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And why Corbyn persisted with anti-Semitism?
I was talking about extremists blocking exploration and progression of potential solutions.
I understand everyone’s got views on what’s good or bad, sometimes I think we need to just consider the least worst options
skybluetony176
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In this scenario the extremists as you call them just seem to be well informed of the facts. If anyone is an extremist it’s the people promoting it as a solution when it clearly isn’t.
JAM See
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Always fancied the Fringe, but was put off by the price of accommodation.
Two questions.
a) Is it worth going?
b) Any tips for doing it on the cheap?
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Scientific evidence suggests that fracking is one of the worst options. It can cause earth tremors, makes ground unstable, can contaminate water supplies, cause all sorts of environmental pollution, produces methane which is worse than carbon dioxide, is still burning a fossil fuel so will produce CO2 as well and won't even give us much energy security as the available deposits are uncertain and aren't likely to last very long. The only people pushing it as a solution are those looking to make a fortune out of it. I think we can call them the extremists.
Did you watch the Big Oil vs the World programme? Basically the oil companies knew all this environmental shit they were causing but constantly kept saying data was inconclusive and that those campaigning and protesting were alarmists and extremists to protect their own money making. Many of those same players are heavily invested in fracking and we've now got the exact same scenario playing out again and I can't believe you'd fall for it.
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Anything in particular this time, or just the general nonsense?
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I saw a report she wants to repeal the ban on gay conversion therapy she introduced. Sell your soul for power, and history will not remember you well.
Tax tax tax .
The other stuff is not for now.
Lady named Dallas Lucas on news 24 this afternoon .
Sold all her furniture electric goods .living on cereal and water can't run a fridge for milk on UC edit:- £670 per month .
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Sunak saying he'd rather lose the leadership race doing the right thing than win on a false promise.
Well, that's odd, considering in the last week he's made policy proposals that he's never even hinted at before that seem to be right up the batshit mental Tory membership's street.
Well, that's odd, considering in the last week he's made policy proposals that he's never even hinted at before that seem to be right up the batshit mental Tory membership's street.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Oh, and at the same time had the nerve, after his Tunbridge video, to talk about a moral responsibility to support poorer households and Liz Truss' tax cuts would not help the needy.
The arrogance of it is just astounding!
The arrogance of it is just astounding!
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He is however not wrong in either of those points.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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And in other Tory news Chris Skidmore has defected from Team Rishi because he's concerned about Sunak's consistently changing position.
So now he's part of Team Liz. The same Liz who announced a policy to change civil servants pay with regard to the area they worked in and then retracted it hours later. The same Liz who backed Remain then became a Brexiteer. The anti-monarchist who now supports them. The woman who told Brits to fight in Ukraine, then told them not to.
It's utterly fucking embarrassing that they have absolutely no principles other than siding with the winner. If he'd said he was joining Truss because he expected her to win I'd at least have a modicum of respect for his honesty.
So now he's part of Team Liz. The same Liz who announced a policy to change civil servants pay with regard to the area they worked in and then retracted it hours later. The same Liz who backed Remain then became a Brexiteer. The anti-monarchist who now supports them. The woman who told Brits to fight in Ukraine, then told them not to.
It's utterly fucking embarrassing that they have absolutely no principles other than siding with the winner. If he'd said he was joining Truss because he expected her to win I'd at least have a modicum of respect for his honesty.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Maybe not, but does he actually believe it? Or intend to actually do anything about it? He's clearly someone who has an extremely disparaging view of the poor and working class and thinks that their problems are all of their own making.
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Economically, some things he says are right. Inflation will kill this government, and us, tax cuts won't help those who don't pay tax, and also mean potentially job losses if we contract... although he appears to want to magic up 'efficiency savings' himself. Being compared to Gordon Brown is a compliment, although he probably doesn't see it that way
The appalling immigration stance, the lurch to the right on social issues is deeply unpleasant, but he's also helpfully fine tuned the Labour Party's attack on the economy. He's not wrong, Truss is going to lead us into disaster.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Economically, some things he says are right. Inflation will kill this government, and us, tax cuts won't help those who don't pay tax, and also mean potentially job losses if we contract... although he appears to want to magic up 'efficiency savings' himself. Being compared to Gordon Brown is a compliment, although he probably doesn't see it that way
The appalling immigration stance, the lurch to the right on social issues is deeply unpleasant, but he's also helpfully fine tuned the Labour Party's attack on the economy. He's not wrong, Truss is going to lead us into disaster.
A small point though, we all pay VAT.
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You know what I mean!
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Oh, I agree Truss will be an absolute car crash. Completely out of her depth and will make us a laughing stock. Even more so than Boris (and that takes some doing).Economically, some things he says are right. Inflation will kill this government, and us, tax cuts won't help those who don't pay tax, and also mean potentially job losses if we contract... although he appears to want to magic up 'efficiency savings' himself. Being compared to Gordon Brown is a compliment, although he probably doesn't see it that way
The appalling immigration stance, the lurch to the right on social issues is deeply unpleasant, but he's also helpfully fine tuned the Labour Party's attack on the economy. He's not wrong, Truss is going to lead us into disaster.
But from what I've seen I think Sunak's actual natural economic policy is around low tax, low spending. Despite what he's saying now I can definitely see him taking an austerity route if we do drop into recession. And he's been careful to not say he's against tax cuts. he's said he's against them right now. As soon as he could he'd be cutting tax rates under the somehow still prevailing idea that it stimulates growth.
So the fact that I see him as the better of the two candidates is very much a reflection of how we've scraped right through the bottom of the barrel and are now digging an ever deeper hole towards the bowels of the Earth.
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You don't have to agree with his solutions to be able to acknowledge that at least he's offering one... which appears to be more than our current and future PM can do.
www.theguardian.com
We must tax profits now, freeze energy price rises - and if necessary bring suppliers into the public sector | Gordon Brown
Without urgent action, families are seeing nothing more than pain now and pain later. There is a way through, says former prime minister Gordon Brown
shmmeee
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You don't have to agree with his solutions to be able to acknowledge that at least he's offering one... which appears to be more than our current and future PM can do.
We must tax profits now, freeze energy price rises - and if necessary bring suppliers into the public sector | Gordon Brown
Without urgent action, families are seeing nothing more than pain now and pain later. There is a way through, says former prime minister Gordon Brown
The last serious PM we had.
You don't have to agree with his solutions to be able to acknowledge that at least he's offering one... which appears to be more than our current and future PM can do.
We must tax profits now, freeze energy price rises - and if necessary bring suppliers into the public sector | Gordon Brown
Without urgent action, families are seeing nothing more than pain now and pain later. There is a way through, says former prime minister Gordon Brown
Agreed. I wasn’t a massive fan of Brown when he was in office but would take him over anyone in parliament at the moment, especially at a time of crisis. He’s a serious politician that ultimately has the country’s best interests at heart, even if people don’t necessarily agree with all his policies as you say.
I was looking the other day though for what Labour did to provide better energy security in their 15 years in office. I think the last two nuclear plants were started by Tory governments for example. They had a massive majority and a growing economy so had chance/funds to renationalise or make massive changes in energy but didn’t. It’s a genuine question for those that might have a better memory than me and closer to policies etc
I’m saying that as someone who voted for Labour during that time but politicians have a habit of pointing the finger at todays problems, when their past actions/inaction are part of the cause of the problem (also see GP and dentist contracts)