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skybluetony176

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It boths fault not more has been done. They take a long time to agree and build and I don’t think Labour started any whilst in power. Tories only commissioned one though I think, hardly a record to shout about
Labour laid the foundations to fast track any new nuclear power stations under the reformed planning act in 2008. Basically following an energy review in 2006 labour acknowledged that we needed more nuclear generation. The 2008 planning act was the first step in making it happen quickly. Basically nuclear power stations under the act were deemed nationally significant infrastructure meaning the government could pretty much just grant planning and that’s that. IIRC the Tories in opposition opposed it, footage from a PMQ’s was doing the rounds of Blair mocking Cameron for opposing it. Then the banking crisis hit and it took a back seat, then there was a GE which put the coalition in charge, three backers were still on the table but the coalition didn’t move it forward. Hinckley C is currently under construction but I think I’m right in saying that it was May who got that moving using Labours plan for nuclear generation and the planning act labour put in place in 2008. If you’re going to blame anyone you’ve got to blame Cameron, the foundation’s were laid but he did nothing with it. Prior to labours 2006 energy review there was actually a cross party agreement on not developing more nuclear plants so prior to that you have to blame everyone.

The real fuck up is we learned fuck all from the Suez crisis, we should have been developing wind power in the 70’s with the Scandinavians in the wake of the Suez crisis and then we would have been where we are now with wind 20, 30 maybe 40 years ago. The under elopement of wind, especially off shore is the real kicker.
 

shmmeee

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Agreed. I was talking immediate term in terms of encouraging reduction in demand/usage

The big one is heating really. It’s where most of the gas goes. Certainly at the very least a campaign to check the hot water temperature and “wear a jumper to stick it to Putin” or something would be relatively low effort. Problem is that without the cap this stuff sounds very cruel to people whose bill is tripling and they’re being told how to have 10p a week or something.

But long term you’re just kicking the can when you leave such massive low hanging fruit as insulation. This is always the problem with crisis debate, solving the root cause takes too long so we don’t do it now, but then the issue isn’t so pressing after so we don’t do it then either. Frustrating.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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It's unbelievable that a serious government would say they're backing fracking due to an energy crisis and a need to be more energy self-sufficient after cutting help to renewables which are cheaper to produce, won't fuck the environment in a million different ways like emitting CO2 which adds to climate change, contaminating water supplies or causing earth tremors and isn't finite so offering a far more stable and long term energy source.

Well, it would be unbelievable until you realise who it is that they're really looking out for..
 

clint van damme

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It's unbelievable that a serious government would say they're backing fracking due to an energy crisis and a need to be more energy self-sufficient after cutting help to renewables which are cheaper to produce, won't fuck the environment in a million different ways like emitting CO2 which adds to climate change, contaminating water supplies or causing earth tremors and isn't finite so offering a far more stable and long term energy source.

Well, it would be unbelievable until you realise who it is that they're really looking out for..

Your last sentence is spot on.
'Patriot' Farage involved.
He loves the country that much he wants to decimate the country side.
Still it will go nicely with the shit filled waterways.
 

skybluetony176

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Your last sentence is spot on.
'Patriot' Farage involved.
He loves the country that much he wants to decimate the country side.
Still it will go nicely with the shit filled waterways.
He’s just released a range of gin calling it the quintessential British drink. I mean it was invented by Italian monks, the name is derived from Dutch and we’re not even the biggest drinkers of it in Europe. Other than that. They’re in 3 colours, red white and blue. His favourite is white, naturally.
 

shmmeee

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Good to see the new admin has its priorities straight. Scrapping an entirely optional working right straight out the gate.

 

PVA

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And Covid was also to blame for poor trade figures as well apparently. That well known pandemic of 2016. That only affected the UK.

I think in time you'll find a lot of people won't admit they voted for it. It'll be like the Iraq war and the majority 'remember' being against it at the time, despite that not being the case.
 

CCFCSteve

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Not sure where the data came from to produce the video but had to check as it looked a bit OTT and the Twitter feed name suggests there might be a slight bias 😊 Thought it might be something to do with split between goods/services but gov data indicates goods exports continued to grow after 2016 until pandemic. Maybe fx related (which is partially linked to brexit)


Global exports of goods have been on the slide for a long time though as our global share on link below confirms.


However total exports of goods and services we were still 5th in the world last year which suggests services have plugged the gap for manufacturing/goods exports over the years


Just giving a bit of context/balance. Brexit obviously hasn’t been good for our trade, certainly not for goods to EU, due to the paperwork ballache but it’s nowhere near as dramatic as the video is suggesting….well, not yet anyway.
 

wingy

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Not sure where the data came from to produce the video but had to check as it looked a bit OTT and the Twitter feed name suggests there might be a slight bias 😊 Thought it might be something to do with split between goods/services but gov data indicates goods exports continued to grow after 2016 until pandemic. Maybe fx related (which is partially linked to brexit)


Global exports of goods have been on the slide for a long time though as our global share on link below confirms.


However total exports of goods and services we were still 5th in the world last year which suggests services have plugged the gap for manufacturing/goods exports over the years


Just giving a bit of context/balance. Brexit obviously hasn’t been good for our trade, certainly not for goods to EU, due to the paperwork ballache but it’s nowhere near as dramatic as the video is suggesting….well, not yet anyway.
Well I wondered the same as going from over £800B to around £450B just seemed implausible really.
 

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