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chiefdave

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  • Sep 23, 2022
  • #21,036
skybluetony176 said:
Tory back benches are saying that this budget is a disaster.
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I find this interesting. New PM and cabinet yet they don't seem the have the backing of their own party. There was not a lot of support for JRM's fracking announcement yesterday and now the back benchers are complaining about the mini budget. How long until the next leadership contest?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 23, 2022
  • #21,037
chiefdave said:
I find this interesting. New PM and cabinet yet they don't seem the have the backing of their own party. There was not a lot of support for JRM's fracking announcement yesterday and now the back benchers are complaining about the mini budget. How long until the next leadership contest?
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Depends when Johnson wants to return...
 

Ian1779

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  • Sep 23, 2022
  • #21,038
shmmeee said:
What say you lefties? Reformy enough or no?


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Can I exchange it for some nationalisation?

It’s a really good idea. Let’s get some more ‘leftie’ stuff now that Truss has gone fucking mental.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Sep 23, 2022
  • #21,039
chiefdave said:
I find this interesting. New PM and cabinet yet they don't seem the have the backing of their own party. There was not a lot of support for JRM's fracking announcement yesterday and now the back benchers are complaining about the mini budget. How long until the next leadership contest?
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Said to a mate earlier, could it get voted down (do they vote on it) ?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 23, 2022
  • #21,040
CCFCSteve said:
Said to a mate earlier, could it get voted down (do they vote on it) ?
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They're never brave enough to do that nowadays. Even more so after the Brexit votes.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 23, 2022
  • #21,041
shmmeee said:
What say you lefties? Reformy enough or no?


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Some stuff in there that's not bad, though potentially has consequences longer term.

Never a fan of giving individuals like majors huge powers as it relies heavily on that one person doing the right thing. Better than someone doing it centrally though.

Power over tax etc. again could be useful, but as we see at an international level it can often lead to a rush to be the lowest because they expect it to attract business, but forget that that will come with costs that they won't be able to afford because they don't charge enough tax.

Enabling areas to become centres for certain industries is fine short to medium term, but must recognise that all industries eventually fall into decline and so will an area reliant on it. We've seen that in Coventry at least three times in the past, so anywhere must have a plan for how to spread their economy over a wider range of industries longer term to protect itself.

HoL plan would be an improvement, but again I feel should go further and be used as a means to allow PR alongside FPTP and should just be the overall voting percentages per party in a GE.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 23, 2022
  • #21,042
CCFCSteve said:
Said to a mate earlier, could it get voted down (do they vote on it) ?
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It must be surely. I imagine it’s like the main budget where the chancellor gives his plans then the budget for just the next year is voted on.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 23, 2022
  • #21,043
Yikes

 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Sep 23, 2022
  • #21,044
shmmeee said:
It must be surely. I imagine it’s like the main budget where the chancellor gives his plans then the budget for just the next year is voted on.
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Yeah, I’d assumed so but wasn’t 100% as it’s not a full budget and wondered if that’s why they were being more ballsy with some bizarre polices
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 23, 2022
  • #21,045
They are a parody party now

 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 23, 2022
  • #21,046
CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, I’d assumed so but wasn’t 100% as it’s not a full budget and wondered if that’s why they were being more ballsy with some bizarre polices
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Probably banking that they won’t vote down their own first Finance Bill. As unhappy as backbenchers are, you aren’t going to bring down a new govt in month one.
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 23, 2022
  • #21,047
Interesting research on people preferred tax rates.

 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 23, 2022
  • #21,048
shmmeee said:
Probably banking that they won’t vote down their own first Finance Bill. As unhappy as backbenchers are, you aren’t going to bring down a new govt in month one.
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Truss is giving it a good go though.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 23, 2022
  • #21,049
shmmeee said:
What say you lefties? Reformy enough or no?


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Sounds ok

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David O'Day

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  • Sep 23, 2022
  • #21,050
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 23, 2022
  • #21,051
shmmeee said:
What say you lefties? Reformy enough or no?


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Most of this had been promised before if Scotland voted 'No' in the last referenda with Devo-max. You can see how much was taken on board when the same sort of stuff is being rehashed 8 years later like it is new or radical.

It isn't.

A second referendum is needed in Scotland because of the changes in the constitution following the departure from the EU.

Not for me to call the result. Let the people decide.

The better together advert is still being ridiculed after all this time.

 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 23, 2022
  • #21,052
So glad we moved to neoliberalism guys, worked great.

 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Sep 23, 2022
  • #21,053
Stagflation nation 2022 - 2024
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 23, 2022
  • #21,054
At last!!


 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 24, 2022
  • #21,055
PVA said:
At last!!


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Xunts
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,056
Another Labour policy announced, looks like they’ve decided it’s time to take the shrink wrap off. “Green Growth Plan” become a major energy exporter by the end of the decade, quadruple off shore wind, triple solar, all energy nuclear or renewable.

Curious if those who haven’t been happy with Starmer would be OK with this and the Lords plans, or are we looking for something more?

For a first term, don’t scare the horses type approach I think this is OK, I’d like to see a big offer on education as well. As a realist I think we need strong health and justice policies as well that I’ve not seen any sign of.
 
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dutchman

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,057
I just want affordable energy, I don't care where or who it comes from.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,058
Fixed..

 
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Otis

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,059


The Tories now promoting immigration.

 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,060
Otis said:
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The Tories now promoting immigration.

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Better put cheap labour
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,061
shmmeee said:
Another Labour policy announced, looks like they’ve decided it’s time to take the shrink wrap off. “Green Growth Plan” become a major energy exporter by the end of the decade, quadruple off shore wind, triple solar, all energy nuclear or renewable.

Curious if those who haven’t been happy with Starmer would be OK with this and the Lords plans, or are we looking for something more?

For a first term, don’t scare the horses type approach I think this is OK, I’d like to see a big offer on education as well. As a realist I think we need strong health and justice policies as well that I’ve not seen any sign of.
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Certainly like the ambition for offshore. We have one of the longest coastlines in Europe, we should utilise it. The solar plan needs more details, we have untold amounts of acres of space for solar on roofs, industrial units especially, we should be utilising that rather than filling fields up with them. Not against solar in fields just think we should utilise roof space first, especially industrial roof space. There needs to be insensitives for businesses to invest in the installation, legislation to stop landlords blocking the installation, legislation that new build industrial units have a solar installation at point of build etc etc.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,062
skybluetony176 said:
We have one of the longest coastlines in Europe, we should utilise it.
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We are by dumping shit into it.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,063
skybluetony176 said:
Certainly like the ambition for offshore. We have one of the longest coastlines in Europe, we should utilise it. The solar plan needs more details, we have untold amounts of acres of space for solar on roofs, industrial units especially, we should be utilising that rather than filling fields up with them. Not against solar in fields just think we should utilise roof space first, especially industrial roof space. There needs to be insensitives for businesses to invest in the installation, legislation to stop landlords blocking the installation, legislation that new build industrial units have a solar installation at point of build etc etc.
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Wave energy is a way to go

 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,064
shmmeee said:
Another Labour policy announced, looks like they’ve decided it’s time to take the shrink wrap off. “Green Growth Plan” become a major energy exporter by the end of the decade, quadruple off shore wind, triple solar, all energy nuclear or renewable.

Curious if those who haven’t been happy with Starmer would be OK with this and the Lords plans, or are we looking for something more?

For a first term, don’t scare the horses type approach I think this is OK, I’d like to see a big offer on education as well. As a realist I think we need strong health and justice policies as well that I’ve not seen any sign of.
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I think that sounds good as does the abolition of the HoL but i really think he's got to be much more convincing over shorter term plans to support people to improve or maintain a good standard of living

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,065
Starmer confirms Labour could keep basic rate income tax cut to 19%, but reinstate 45% top rate
Q: In government would you reinstate the 45% rate of tax?

Yes, says Starmer. He says he would reverse the decision the government took on Friday. He is “absolutely clear” on that.

Q: And would you reverse the basic rate tax cut to 19%?

Starmer says he would not reverse that. He goes on:

I’ve long made the argument that we should reduce the tax burden on working people. That’s why we opposed the national insurance increase earlier this year, which of course the government is now reversing.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,066
Philosorapter said:
Wave energy is a way to go

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My sister and brother in law are there at the moment. He was telling me a couple of weeks ago that the new ferries are hydrogen powered and as shown in the film you linked they generate their own hydrogen using wind power.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,067
skybluetony176 said:
My sister and brother in law are there at the moment. He was telling me a couple of weeks ago that the new ferries are hydrogen powered and as shown in the film you linked they generate their own hydrogen using wind power.
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This is the way to go, Now that local authorities have the power to pull funds to earn extra money, then this is a huge sector to be aiming at.

An organised approach by LA's could pull the rug out of underneath the energy firm's feet.
 

Ian1779

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,068
shmmeee said:
Another Labour policy announced, looks like they’ve decided it’s time to take the shrink wrap off. “Green Growth Plan” become a major energy exporter by the end of the decade, quadruple off shore wind, triple solar, all energy nuclear or renewable.

Curious if those who haven’t been happy with Starmer would be OK with this and the Lords plans, or are we looking for something more?

For a first term, don’t scare the horses type approach I think this is OK, I’d like to see a big offer on education as well. As a realist I think we need strong health and justice policies as well that I’ve not seen any sign of.
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I think both ideas are good. I would really also like to see a substantial education policy that doesn’t involve Grammar schools or more academisation, and definitely involves a significant funding uplift.

I still think his avoidance of nationalisation is bizarre along with his rationale, but I am hopeful that Labours obsession with focus groups means they will come around on this.

Also a bit left field, but what about a towns/community plan where high streets are reinvigorated where that will work. There are scores of towns where high street are ghost towns (and yet they often return a Tory MP time after time) - the time of department stores is over, but maybe pedestrianising and opening streets out for restaurants/coffee shops and incentives for businesses that want to do it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,069
shmmeee said:
Another Labour policy announced, looks like they’ve decided it’s time to take the shrink wrap off. “Green Growth Plan” become a major energy exporter by the end of the decade, quadruple off shore wind, triple solar, all energy nuclear or renewable.

Curious if those who haven’t been happy with Starmer would be OK with this and the Lords plans, or are we looking for something more?

For a first term, don’t scare the horses type approach I think this is OK, I’d like to see a big offer on education as well. As a realist I think we need strong health and justice policies as well that I’ve not seen any sign of.
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The policies look good or encouraging. The problem is the salesman.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,070
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The policies look good or encouraging. The problem is the salesman.
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I would go further, it's the sales team. Would you buy a product or service off a provider who have shown a complete disdain for their colleagues?

If they treat their colleagues like this, imagine what they will be like when you buy their product or service.

As always, the dangers are usually not in the glossy pamphlet which says everything is great, buy me.
 
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