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chiefdave

chiefdave

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skybluetony176 said:
Tory back benches are saying that this budget is a disaster.
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I find this interesting. New PM and cabinet yet they don't seem the have the backing of their own party. There was not a lot of support for JRM's fracking announcement yesterday and now the back benchers are complaining about the mini budget. How long until the next leadership contest?
 
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chiefdave said:
I find this interesting. New PM and cabinet yet they don't seem the have the backing of their own party. There was not a lot of support for JRM's fracking announcement yesterday and now the back benchers are complaining about the mini budget. How long until the next leadership contest?
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Depends when Johnson wants to return...
 
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CCFCSteve

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chiefdave said:
I find this interesting. New PM and cabinet yet they don't seem the have the backing of their own party. There was not a lot of support for JRM's fracking announcement yesterday and now the back benchers are complaining about the mini budget. How long until the next leadership contest?
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Said to a mate earlier, could it get voted down (do they vote on it) ?
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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shmmeee said:
What say you lefties? Reformy enough or no?


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Some stuff in there that's not bad, though potentially has consequences longer term.

Never a fan of giving individuals like majors huge powers as it relies heavily on that one person doing the right thing. Better than someone doing it centrally though.

Power over tax etc. again could be useful, but as we see at an international level it can often lead to a rush to be the lowest because they expect it to attract business, but forget that that will come with costs that they won't be able to afford because they don't charge enough tax.

Enabling areas to become centres for certain industries is fine short to medium term, but must recognise that all industries eventually fall into decline and so will an area reliant on it. We've seen that in Coventry at least three times in the past, so anywhere must have a plan for how to spread their economy over a wider range of industries longer term to protect itself.

HoL plan would be an improvement, but again I feel should go further and be used as a means to allow PR alongside FPTP and should just be the overall voting percentages per party in a GE.
 
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CCFCSteve

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shmmeee said:
It must be surely. I imagine it’s like the main budget where the chancellor gives his plans then the budget for just the next year is voted on.
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Yeah, I’d assumed so but wasn’t 100% as it’s not a full budget and wondered if that’s why they were being more ballsy with some bizarre polices
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, I’d assumed so but wasn’t 100% as it’s not a full budget and wondered if that’s why they were being more ballsy with some bizarre polices
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Probably banking that they won’t vote down their own first Finance Bill. As unhappy as backbenchers are, you aren’t going to bring down a new govt in month one.
 
Philosoraptor

Philosoraptor

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shmmeee said:
What say you lefties? Reformy enough or no?


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Most of this had been promised before if Scotland voted 'No' in the last referenda with Devo-max. You can see how much was taken on board when the same sort of stuff is being rehashed 8 years later like it is new or radical.

It isn't.

A second referendum is needed in Scotland because of the changes in the constitution following the departure from the EU.

Not for me to call the result. Let the people decide.

The better together advert is still being ridiculed after all this time.

 
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shmmeee

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Another Labour policy announced, looks like they’ve decided it’s time to take the shrink wrap off. “Green Growth Plan” become a major energy exporter by the end of the decade, quadruple off shore wind, triple solar, all energy nuclear or renewable.

Curious if those who haven’t been happy with Starmer would be OK with this and the Lords plans, or are we looking for something more?

For a first term, don’t scare the horses type approach I think this is OK, I’d like to see a big offer on education as well. As a realist I think we need strong health and justice policies as well that I’ve not seen any sign of.
 
skybluetony176

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shmmeee said:
Another Labour policy announced, looks like they’ve decided it’s time to take the shrink wrap off. “Green Growth Plan” become a major energy exporter by the end of the decade, quadruple off shore wind, triple solar, all energy nuclear or renewable.

Curious if those who haven’t been happy with Starmer would be OK with this and the Lords plans, or are we looking for something more?

For a first term, don’t scare the horses type approach I think this is OK, I’d like to see a big offer on education as well. As a realist I think we need strong health and justice policies as well that I’ve not seen any sign of.
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Certainly like the ambition for offshore. We have one of the longest coastlines in Europe, we should utilise it. The solar plan needs more details, we have untold amounts of acres of space for solar on roofs, industrial units especially, we should be utilising that rather than filling fields up with them. Not against solar in fields just think we should utilise roof space first, especially industrial roof space. There needs to be insensitives for businesses to invest in the installation, legislation to stop landlords blocking the installation, legislation that new build industrial units have a solar installation at point of build etc etc.
 
Philosoraptor

Philosoraptor

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skybluetony176 said:
Certainly like the ambition for offshore. We have one of the longest coastlines in Europe, we should utilise it. The solar plan needs more details, we have untold amounts of acres of space for solar on roofs, industrial units especially, we should be utilising that rather than filling fields up with them. Not against solar in fields just think we should utilise roof space first, especially industrial roof space. There needs to be insensitives for businesses to invest in the installation, legislation to stop landlords blocking the installation, legislation that new build industrial units have a solar installation at point of build etc etc.
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Wave energy is a way to go

 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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shmmeee said:
Another Labour policy announced, looks like they’ve decided it’s time to take the shrink wrap off. “Green Growth Plan” become a major energy exporter by the end of the decade, quadruple off shore wind, triple solar, all energy nuclear or renewable.

Curious if those who haven’t been happy with Starmer would be OK with this and the Lords plans, or are we looking for something more?

For a first term, don’t scare the horses type approach I think this is OK, I’d like to see a big offer on education as well. As a realist I think we need strong health and justice policies as well that I’ve not seen any sign of.
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I think that sounds good as does the abolition of the HoL but i really think he's got to be much more convincing over shorter term plans to support people to improve or maintain a good standard of living

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Starmer confirms Labour could keep basic rate income tax cut to 19%, but reinstate 45% top rate
Q: In government would you reinstate the 45% rate of tax?

Yes, says Starmer. He says he would reverse the decision the government took on Friday. He is “absolutely clear” on that.

Q: And would you reverse the basic rate tax cut to 19%?

Starmer says he would not reverse that. He goes on:

I’ve long made the argument that we should reduce the tax burden on working people. That’s why we opposed the national insurance increase earlier this year, which of course the government is now reversing.
 
Philosoraptor

Philosoraptor

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skybluetony176 said:
My sister and brother in law are there at the moment. He was telling me a couple of weeks ago that the new ferries are hydrogen powered and as shown in the film you linked they generate their own hydrogen using wind power.
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This is the way to go, Now that local authorities have the power to pull funds to earn extra money, then this is a huge sector to be aiming at.

An organised approach by LA's could pull the rug out of underneath the energy firm's feet.
 
Ian1779

Ian1779

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shmmeee said:
Another Labour policy announced, looks like they’ve decided it’s time to take the shrink wrap off. “Green Growth Plan” become a major energy exporter by the end of the decade, quadruple off shore wind, triple solar, all energy nuclear or renewable.

Curious if those who haven’t been happy with Starmer would be OK with this and the Lords plans, or are we looking for something more?

For a first term, don’t scare the horses type approach I think this is OK, I’d like to see a big offer on education as well. As a realist I think we need strong health and justice policies as well that I’ve not seen any sign of.
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I think both ideas are good. I would really also like to see a substantial education policy that doesn’t involve Grammar schools or more academisation, and definitely involves a significant funding uplift.

I still think his avoidance of nationalisation is bizarre along with his rationale, but I am hopeful that Labours obsession with focus groups means they will come around on this.

Also a bit left field, but what about a towns/community plan where high streets are reinvigorated where that will work. There are scores of towns where high street are ghost towns (and yet they often return a Tory MP time after time) - the time of department stores is over, but maybe pedestrianising and opening streets out for restaurants/coffee shops and incentives for businesses that want to do it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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shmmeee said:
Another Labour policy announced, looks like they’ve decided it’s time to take the shrink wrap off. “Green Growth Plan” become a major energy exporter by the end of the decade, quadruple off shore wind, triple solar, all energy nuclear or renewable.

Curious if those who haven’t been happy with Starmer would be OK with this and the Lords plans, or are we looking for something more?

For a first term, don’t scare the horses type approach I think this is OK, I’d like to see a big offer on education as well. As a realist I think we need strong health and justice policies as well that I’ve not seen any sign of.
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The policies look good or encouraging. The problem is the salesman.
 
Philosoraptor

Philosoraptor

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
The policies look good or encouraging. The problem is the salesman.
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I would go further, it's the sales team. Would you buy a product or service off a provider who have shown a complete disdain for their colleagues?

If they treat their colleagues like this, imagine what they will be like when you buy their product or service.

As always, the dangers are usually not in the glossy pamphlet which says everything is great, buy me.
 
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