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shmmeee

shmmeee

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Deleted member 5849 said:
On a side note, Kevin Maton alone could turn me Tory(!)
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All got a bit catty hasn’t it? I actually thought Mattie Heaven would have something about her but looked useless as well. Caan could barely string a sentence together, Ridley just playing politics for likes, O’Boyle useless as well. The woman on about Spon End traffic seemed vaguely together but that was about it.

This is why we need to make councils actually worth something so someone vaguely competent tries to get elected. Half of them seem more interested in playing babies first House of Commons than actually governing or opposing TBH.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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shmmeee said:
He does. And I’d want a full range of opinions rather than just politicians which is all you’d get from an elected chamber. Is much rather take a few major industries, state sectors, charities and the like. I don’t think it’s insurmountable.
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But at the same time if it's involved with law making should the electorate not have some sort of say over who is elected to it?

I agree that having a house filled with politicians is hardly a great idea, but at the same time it needs to be accountable to the public.

So what sort of halfway house could we have? Would a list of experts be proposed by the ruling bodies of professions and then the parties choose from those lists depending on the PV of the national vote? Although that sounds a bit like the US Supreme Court which is now fucked due to political ideology, though also highlights perfectly how experts aren't necessarily the solution.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But at the same time if it's involved with law making should the electorate not have some sort of say over who is elected to it?

I agree that having a house filled with politicians is hardly a great idea, but at the same time it needs to be accountable to the public.

So what sort of halfway house could we have? Would a list of experts be proposed by the ruling bodies of professions and then the parties choose from those lists depending on the PV of the national vote? Although that sounds a bit like the US Supreme Court which is now fucked due to political ideology, though also highlights perfectly how experts aren't necessarily the solution.
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Well if it’s professional bodies and unions they would.

And no I wouldn’t have the parties involved at all. As I say either fix the Lords for its intended purpose or throw it out.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Starmer still refusing to criticise the fresh anti union legislation that is coming our way. Really makes voting for him a chore
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Tories desperately want to paint him as continuity Corbyn, he’s going to be very cool on pro union stuff and pro nationalisation and we’re just going to have to lump it. Said this when Corbyn lost the GE, he tainted so much that there was always going to be an overcorrection.

Ultimately all you can do in opposition is position yourself unless there’s a big rift in the government benches.

Expect tough on crime, sensible finances, pro business to be the main thrusts until the GE. That doesn’t change who the MPs are and what they’ll vote for though. Just as Cameron’s hug a hoodie and love of polar bears didn’t mean anything. It’s just the cost of getting elected.
 
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shmmeee said:
Tories desperately want to paint him as continuity Corbyn, he’s going to be very cool on pro union stuff and pro nationalisation and we’re just going to have to lump it. Said this when Corbyn lost the GE, he tainted so much that there was always going to be an overcorrection.

Ultimately all you can do in opposition is position yourself unless there’s a big rift in the government benches.

Expect tough on crime, sensible finances, pro business to be the main thrusts until the GE. That doesn’t change who the MPs are and what they’ll vote for though. Just as Cameron’s hug a hoodie and love of polar bears didn’t mean anything. It’s just the cost of getting elected.
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His main criticism of the new anti union laws was that they won’t stop the current strikes. Not that we already have the harshest anti union laws in the West and adding even more is a blatant attack on working people’s rights.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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clint van damme said:
See Farages mates have attempted a coup in Germany.
That's 2 democracies his mates have attempted to overthrow.
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Proper nutters. Apparently printing their own drivers licences and passports.

What is it about mental conspiracies that once you get one you go for the full set?
 
JAM See

JAM See

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clint van damme said:
The striker v public narrative he keeps pushing makes me laugh.
Rail workers, train drivers, nurses, firemen, postmen, border staff, these are the public you fucking plamf.
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And don't get me started on this whole "Well the private sector don't get these sort of deals" narrative that we hear from the media.

Good unions equals good terms and conditions for the means of production.

Anybody bleating about somebody else getting more than them is in a race to the bottom.

www.coventrytelegraph.net

Jaguar Land Rover Unite workers to get above inflation pay rise

Bosses attempted to row back on a previously agreed pay deal but the move was rejected by staff
www.coventrytelegraph.net www.coventrytelegraph.net
 
JAM See

JAM See

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Apparently, it takes an act of parliament to remove a life peerage.

Clergy and cronies can only be removed by an act of parliament.

Think on that.
 
JAM See

JAM See

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Reading between the lines, even the army have had enough of this government.

This is from the Daily Telegraph, not normally a publication I'd associate with backing dissent from senior members of the armed forces.

 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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JAM See said:
And don't get me started on this whole "Well the private sector don't get these sort of deals" narrative that we hear from the media.

Good unions equals good terms and conditions for the means of production.

Anybody bleating about somebody else getting more than them is in a race to the bottom.

www.coventrytelegraph.net

Jaguar Land Rover Unite workers to get above inflation pay rise

Bosses attempted to row back on a previously agreed pay deal but the move was rejected by staff
www.coventrytelegraph.net www.coventrytelegraph.net
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My pay increases as a teacher for ten years: 0%

My pay increases in private sector in six years: 368%
 
shmmeee

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