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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I disagree. The rules governing strike ballots are wrong not the ones governing parliamentary / local elections.

Definitely needs equivalency adding into law that below the threshold means the contest is considered invalid.

Shouldn't really affect GE as most turnouts are around 60% I think, but most others like local elections, majors and PCC's would be.

But they won;t because they don;t want to have to be held to the same standards.

Said it before, but there should be a 'first adopter' law in parliament - if MP's don't have to abide by it no-one else does.

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

And equally you could say if people don’t want to strike they can vote against. The fact is most either don’t find the time or aren’t bothered either way. Which is fine and they defer their vote to those that do.

Why is it only strikes this applies to? It’s clearly an attempt to put thumb on the scale against a yes vote.

Legislating solely about anti strike nothing to do with democracy or fairness

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Im asking if they can still work and not have this scab nonsense chucked at them

Course they can but they would be breaking a strike

 

[Grendel]

Course they can but they would be breaking a strike

if hardly anyone voted for the strike I struggle with that in truth

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

if hardly anyone voted for the strike I struggle with that in truth

Well to meet the thresholds in the teaching strike ballot we've had to hit a 50% turnout mandate, already 10% higher than for the other thresholds. It also has to be done by post, and even if it succeeds we have to give 2 weeks' notice of strike dates and are restricted to 6 union members on the picket.

The result is being announced on Monday. If it succeeds despite the anti-union laws which try to prevent it, it'll have happened because at least 150,000 people have voted by post for it. More of a mandate than got Rishi Sunak or Liz Truss their roles as PM when elected by the Conservative membership.

 

[clint van damme]

What the hell is Starmer on about with this self referral nonsense?
It's sounds like the sort of thing mad nad would come out with if she was health seceratary.

 

[chiefdave]

What the hell is Starmer on about with this self referral nonsense?
It's sounds like the sort of thing mad nad would come out with if she was health seceratary.

Thought this was a twitter thing where it had been taken out of context but having read the whole thing it’s complete nonsense.

Did nobody think to check with a medical professional before putting that nonsense out?

 

[clint van damme]

Thought this was a twitter thing where it had been taken out of context but having read the whole thing it’s complete nonsense.

Did nobody think to check with a medical professional before putting that nonsense out?

He probably asked Wes who considers himself bit of an expert.
'If you need a test for internal bleeding' what the actual fuck?

 

[chiefdave]

 

[clint van damme]

Sickening

 

[shmmeee]

What the hell is Starmer on about with this self referral nonsense?
It's sounds like the sort of thing mad nad would come out with if she was health seceratary.

Self referral for physio is already a thing TBF. And watching the interview he doesn’t actually say self referral for internal bleeding which is what everyone’s claiming.

There’s definitely stuff that could be taken off a GPs plate and for a lot of stuff that’s been ongoing you do end up just having to ask for referral anyway and they give it to you. I’d rather see improvements to pharmacies and things like 111 though.

 

[clint van damme]

Self referral for physio is already a thing TBF. And watching the interview he doesn’t actually say self referral for internal bleeding which is what everyone’s claiming.

There’s definitely stuff that could be taken off a GPs plate and for a lot of stuff that’s been ongoing you do end up just having to ask for referral anyway and they give it to you. I’d rather see improvements to pharmacies and things like 111 though.

He said if you've got internal bleeding and you just need a test, how does some one self diagnose internal bleeding?

How do you know if back pain needs a physio and isn't something worse?
Every self diagnosis I've ever done has been cancer even though Ive never had it. I'm going straight straight to an oncologist they're going to be rushed off their feet.

 

[Grendel]

Self referral for physio is already a thing TBF. And watching the interview he doesn’t actually say self referral for internal bleeding which is what everyone’s claiming.

There’s definitely stuff that could be taken off a GPs plate and for a lot of stuff that’s been ongoing you do end up just having to ask for referral anyway and they give it to you. I’d rather see improvements to pharmacies and things like 111 though.

I saw it - if that was Johnson you’d be laughing your head off and rightly so

it was ridiculous - why did he even mention internal bleeding

 

[PVA]

He has clarified the self-referral thing this morning. The idea is that you can get a test first before seeing a GP where that appointment would just be ‘you need to get a test’. Thus saving potentially unnecessary appointments.

I don’t know how the practicalities of it would work, but it makes sense.

No idea what the internal bleeding thing is all about though, that was obviously a stupid thing to say.

 

[chiefdave]

He has clarified the self-referral thing this morning. The idea is that you can get a test first before seeing a GP where that appointment would just be ‘you need to get a test’. Thus saving potentially unnecessary appointments.

I don’t know how the practicalities of it would work, but it makes sense.

No idea what the internal bleeding thing is all about though, that was obviously a stupid thing to say.

by clarify I assume you mean somebody realised he'd made a complete tit of himself. Is it common for people who turn up at the doctors bleeding to be sent away with a test to do at home, what are they testing for? The internal bleeding thing was just nonsense, how is anyone supposed to know they have internal bleeding.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Teachers’ strike ballot result to be announced publicly at 5 pm, internally at 3.30. Expecting it to have met the 50% threshold.

 

[PVA]

by clarify I assume you mean somebody realised he'd made a complete tit of himself. Is it common for people who turn up at the doctors bleeding to be sent away with a test to do at home, what are they testing for? The internal bleeding thing was just nonsense, how is anyone supposed to know they have internal bleeding.

As I said, I don't know what the internal bleeding thing is about.

It was either a mistake or incredibly stupid.

 

[Grendel]

by clarify I assume you mean somebody realised he'd made a complete tit of himself. Is it common for people who turn up at the doctors bleeding to be sent away with a test to do at home, what are they testing for? The internal bleeding thing was just nonsense, how is anyone supposed to know they have internal bleeding.

How can you by pass a GP to get a test anyway? Will they all be handed out - at what cost?

I do wonder if the internal bleeding thing was actual rectal bleeding and he forgot the brief - again though you can’t just get a test without a cost

 

[shmmeee]

How can you by pass a GP to get a test anyway? Will they all be handed out - at what cost?

I do wonder if the internal bleeding thing was actual rectal bleeding and he forgot the brief - again though you can’t just get a test without a cost

Or just got squeamish about saying “rectal” on TV and tried to make it sound nicer.

 

[Grendel]

Or just got squeamish about saying “rectal” on TV and tried to make it sound nicer.

Internal bleeding isn’t the same though is it. Tests are supplied by GPS it’s nonsense to suggest hospital specialists can just hand them out or everyone will be bombarding then as it’s free screening for all

 

[shmmeee]

Internal bleeding isn’t the same though is it. Tests are supplied by GPS it’s nonsense to suggest hospital specialists can just hand them out or everyone will be bombarding then as it’s free screening for all

No it’s not. That’s what I’m saying he strikes me as someone who would be squeamish about saying rectal bleeding.

Of course there is a middle ground between a GP appointment and direct access to specialists.

 

[Skybluefaz]

 

[fernandopartridge]

NHS commissioners use GPs as a way of managing demand on secondary care. Even if you are going to allow direct referral there will always need to be some form of triage which cannot be realistically performed by the specialist themselves. Who better to do that than a GP with their broader knowledge of the patient?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

There aren't enough specialists as it is, let alone when a load of people see an advert on TV and decide they're dying, so rush for a referral.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Teaching ballot has passed in England and Wales. To officially announce at 5

 

[skybluejelly]

Teaching ballot has passed in England and Wales. To officially announce at 5

Only neu ..others not got enough votes

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Only neu ..others not got enough votes

NEU is the biggest. Also the biggest union to have beaten the anti union thresholds set by the government.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Teaching ballot has passed in England and Wales. To officially announce at 5

Well done everyone involved

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well done everyone involved

Of course appreciate support on the pickets on Feb 1, will know specific schools soon.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Teaching ballot has passed in England and Wales. To officially announce at 5

I read that as teaching ballet.

Fair enough, I thought, but surely our schools have got bigger priorities than dancing on tiptoes.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I read that as teaching ballet.

Fair enough, I thought, but surely our schools have got bigger priorities than dancing on tiptoes.

You can’t do ballet in chinos. Or at least I can’t.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Of course appreciate support on the pickets on Feb 1, will know specific schools soon.

Yep if I can. Although hoping we get to 50% and can join in ourselves

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You can’t do ballet in chinos. Or at least I can’t.

Isn't that what the Nutcracker is?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Quite an interesting concession for him to make. Admitting that 'cracking the unions' is more important to the government than money.

Train strikes: Cheaper to settle, minister admits

It would have cost less to settle earlier but reforms remained necessary, rail minister tells MPs.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[skybluetony176]

Quite an interesting concession for him to make. Admitting that 'cracking the unions' is more important to the government than money.

Train strikes: Cheaper to settle, minister admits

It would have cost less to settle earlier but reforms remained necessary, rail minister tells MPs.

www.bbc.co.uk

They’d rather have a culture war at any cost than take a sensible approach to finding a solution. Divide and conquer. Although I think the majority of the country has seen through the Tories and the divide and conquer boat has not only sailed its vanished over the horizon.