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The incredible thing is there will be people who believe her. They fell for these lies in voting for Brexit.
stupot07
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JOB was talking about this earlier. I’d not seen QT but heard the clip and thought the reaction to Bruce was a bit OTT. All I heard was her trying to give context by quoting friends of Stanley Johnson as he wasn’t there to respond to the accusation himself. It’s what all presenters have to do in that type of situation. The language wasn’t ideal but people have taken it as her comments when she was trying to present what Johnson’s friends had said about the incident.
Fiona Bruce blasted after calling Stanley Johnson's domestic abuse 'one off'
It is alleged Stanley broke his wife's nose and left her in hospital.metro.co.uk
The fact Johnson has put his dad forward for a peerage is a disgrace and it sounds like he should’ve been jailed for the incident (absolute scumbag) but I just saw Bruce trying to do her job
I don't think it was OTT. 'oh he only did it once' as a defence. It did trivialise it.
The actual quotes in the book she said he hit her all the time, and quite often in front of Boris and the others. There is no context at all in stating what his friends said. Abusers are really clever and manipulative at hiding what they do from their friends.
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Sky Blue Pete
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It’s called othering and it’s abhorrent
shmmeee
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JOB was talking about this earlier. I’d not seen QT but heard the clip and thought the reaction to Bruce was a bit OTT. All I heard was her trying to give context by quoting friends of Stanley Johnson as he wasn’t there to respond to the accusation himself. It’s what all presenters have to do in that type of situation. The language wasn’t ideal but people have taken it as her comments when she was trying to present what Johnson’s friends had said about the incident.
Fiona Bruce blasted after calling Stanley Johnson's domestic abuse 'one off'
It is alleged Stanley broke his wife's nose and left her in hospital.
The fact Johnson has put his dad forward for a peerage is a disgrace and it sounds like he should’ve been jailed for the incident (absolute scumbag) but I just saw Bruce trying to do her job
I generally agree. But you’ll notice she only ever does this for one side of the argument and is quite keen to jump in when she’s got a chance.
skybluetony176
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skybluetony176
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Tory sleeper cell.
As a presenter her job was to explain why the other woman called him a wife beater (bringing context). As he isn’t there to respond to this, it’s also her job to try to bring the other sides positions. Clumsey yes but she’s working on the hoof. They weren’t her words. She didn’t claim it was ok as it was a one off, yet that’s what social media is claiming. That clip also cuts off how the conversation started and the fact Bruce said she’d not disputing what the other woman said about Johnson being a wife beater
It’s like the other side of the linekar discussion with people saying he was comparing the U.K. to nazi Germany, no he wasn’t he was saying the language being used by the government was similar.
People just remove these nuances on social media to try to make bigger issues
Edit - comments like this ‘ @BBC ensures the abuse continues’ are ridiculous
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I stopped watching QT years ago so can’t really comment. Dimbleby was far better though from the bits I have seen of her
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And very redolent of 1930s Germany.
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I find it impossible to watch now. Her bias is so clear and the rent a right wing nutters crowd is abhorrent.
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Absolutely appalling comments by Fiona Bruce. Her politics reigns over common decency. It's well know that men who commit domestic violence very rarely do it once.
Grendel
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Is she a member of the Tory party? I do know that she has had complaints before about a stance in other areas
clint van damme
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Steve's wrong anyway. He's right to say she should mention he's not here to answer but bringing up how often it happens or what his freinds said isn't her job.
clint van damme
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She was wrong Steve.
And by bringing up his freinds accounts and how often it happened she was building up a narrative that his ex wife wasn't there to respond to.
You can't have it both ways.
Fair point but I’d argue it’s recorded live and she’s tried to put the other side across on the spur of the moment (badly). My point was people saying that Bruce said domestic violence is ok as it’s a one off is factually incorrect. Then people cutting clips to remove context of discussion is even worse.
That’s cancel culture, people want her sacked
chiefdave
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Rather hilariously the BBCs editorial guidelines on impartiality gives examples of which type of employees should avoid subjects like politics. Have a guess what one of the roles it states it isn't really an issue for
The worrying thing for me is nothing in his tweet was factually incorrect. It wasn't really opinion in so far as it wasn't him drawing his own conclusion from something, or siding with any particular party policy. It was a simple statement of fact. He's posted far more political things in the past, particularly criticism of Cornyn, which seemingly wasn't a problem. The BBC themselves had him front a report on human rights issues as the opening to their World Cup coverage. On the one hand it's laughable but on the other its quite concerning
There's now people on twitter posting the responses they have received in the past when formally complaining to the BBC about tweets from the likes of Sugar, Neil, etc. The standard response is the BBC is not responsible for personal twitter accounts and that impartiality rules only apply when it is BBC output. Probably just as well Sugar has never made political tweets or compared anyone to a Nazi
The worrying thing for me is nothing in his tweet was factually incorrect. It wasn't really opinion in so far as it wasn't him drawing his own conclusion from something, or siding with any particular party policy. It was a simple statement of fact. He's posted far more political things in the past, particularly criticism of Cornyn, which seemingly wasn't a problem. The BBC themselves had him front a report on human rights issues as the opening to their World Cup coverage. On the one hand it's laughable but on the other its quite concerning
There's now people on twitter posting the responses they have received in the past when formally complaining to the BBC about tweets from the likes of Sugar, Neil, etc. The standard response is the BBC is not responsible for personal twitter accounts and that impartiality rules only apply when it is BBC output. Probably just as well Sugar has never made political tweets or compared anyone to a Nazi
clint van damme
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She's biased and unprofessional. But I agree, she didn't say domestic violence is ok. But it was very clumsy from some one who's job is presenting live debate.
And how is wanting someone sacked for being shit at their job cancel culture?
Yeah she constantly cuts in and reframed things when the government is criticised. It’s pathetic really.
Of course she’s there to moderate debate but the bias is quite clear. Dimbleby did it so much better.
It’s so transparent they’ve caved to government pressure. Oddly the usual “free speech” advocates are pretty quiet on the subject when the government are crushing dissent.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I've not said at any point I'm fine with it. I don't agree with what is happening at all. I know it isn't popular to say on here, but cancelling is a leftist thing more over. Of course it does happen everywhere, and there are good examples of it coming from different directions. But find one for a leftist opinion, and there's ten for a conservative or (non-woke) opinion. It is usually related to race, religion, sex, gender. To try and argue it isn't is just lacking any sense.
I've also said openly I think people baying for Lineker are hiding behind the BBC argument. I don't agree with their standpoint at all. The Qatar reference might be a sideshow if I hadn't have said the above, but I have, and it stands very true. So many morals were buried and the other cheek was turned. The situation there is far worse than comments Lineker made, but other than Alex Scott wearing a rainbow armband, no one had the balls to make any kind of stand. Now we're seeing pundits striking, producers walking out, and teams threatening not to do interviews? It's ridiculous. I also don't agree with the fact that so many are up in arms about Lineker, but couldn't have given a fuck about free speech up until now. Until it has affected someone that holds a similar opinion to them. I'm not going to back down and give an amnesty on this either, because it's something I've felt strongly about for a while, and it's playing out completely as I expected now.
I don't like Lineker, I certainly don't agree with his opinions, but I defend his right to have them.
Sky Blue Pete
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It’s cheap and pandering to the worst in all of us
I don’t think it’s right to call it cancel culture when she’s not done her job well and people are voicing their opinion about it.Fair point but I’d argue it’s recorded live and she’s tried to put the other side across on the spur of the moment (badly). My point was people saying that Bruce said domestic violence is ok as it’s a one off is factually incorrect. Then people cutting clips to remove context of discussion is even worse.
That’s cancel culture, people want her sacked
This is why many people, myself included, can’t take the notion of cancel culture seriously. It’s just used as a shield from legitimate criticism.
stupot07
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No one has said she said domestic violence is ok, but what she said, whether she meant it that way or not, trivialised the domestic abuse in the Johnsons house hold as "it only happened once" according to his friends. Its not that far a leap away from saying.."well she was asking for it"Fair point but I’d argue it’s recorded live and she’s tried to put the other side across on the spur of the moment (badly). My point was people saying that Bruce said domestic violence is ok as it’s a one off is factually incorrect. Then people cutting clips to remove context of discussion is even worse.
That’s cancel culture, people want her sacked
This has rightly been interpreted as trivialising domestic abuse. I'd like to see you try and justify it to a survivor of domestic abuse.. even her domestic abuse charity thought they were poor choice of words.
It is not cancel culture, people want her sacked as she is blatantly biased, every week she hardly challenges the Tory MP and hammers everyone else.
As a man I find those comments completely out of order, I'd be really keen to find out how they landed from a female perspective.
I'm going to leave it there.
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clint van damme
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I agree about Qatar and the gulf states in General especially Saudi.
But should we expect football to take a stand when as a country we've been thick as thieves with them for decades?
It’s amazing how the government have successfully moved the conversation to be about Lineker rather them. The government have crossed a line with some of their language, using the language of authoritarian fascists. It should worry people and should be the end of the government. At the very least the ministers involved should be removed from the party.
Instead it happened again and again and is framed as snowflake lefties whinging. It’s a dangerous road to go down. No wonder we end up with mobs attacking hotels housing migrants.
Grendel
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Your opinion is just based on your own bias
I mean someone’s even suggesting Bruce is now justifying violence against women which is just embarrassing
Somewhat fittingly, today’s Football Focus has been replaced with a re-run of Bargain Hunt.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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You're probably right, and I guess it's a slightly different debate anyway. Anyway it is football day for us, and I need to wean myself off this thread!
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Nobody stood up for Tom Driberg, so therefore we should let people do what they want.
SBAndy
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Watched it last night and generally agree. There is a desire to take things out of context for the ‘views’. Clumsy, maybe. Malicious? Not for me.
I also didn’t see her huge Tory bias coming out. Maybe I wasn’t looking hard enough. Thought she did a good job of pressing all parties.
chiefdave
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Have it on in the background most weeks. Although I do find it utterly bizarre that the BBC insist on scheduling it so the first live game of the day on BT starts halfway through the show.