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[David O'Day]

Would love to see this prick lose his seat.

Not going to happen

 

[fernandopartridge]

Not going to happen

He's not exactly sitting on a big majority, Tory vote there is pretty consistent. I'd be surprised but would laugh if he lost his seat

 

[Ian1779]

Not going to happen

You are right - the only reason he’s sitting on any kind of majority at all is because of Corbyn.

 

[David O'Day]

You are right - the only reason he’s sitting on any kind of majority at all is because of Corbyn.

really? in ilford where the locals have dumped the other corbynite mp?

 

[Ian1779]

really? in ilford where the locals have dumped the other corbynite mp?

You mean the Starmer sponsored coup of Rayner’s boyfriend?

2015 majority was less than 600
2017 majority was over 9000

 

[David O'Day]

You mean the Starmer sponsored coup of Rayner’s boyfriend?

2015 majority was less than 600
2017 majority was over 9000

no, i mean the local party actually getting the candidate they wanted in 2019 but where blocked from selecting due to a corbyn coup

it's the local members who trigger balloted and then deselected

Sam Tarry deselected as MP by Ilford South Labour members

Jas Athwal, leader of Redbridge council, wins hustings vote by 499 to 361 after constituency triggered reselection

www.theguardian.com

Streeting, vote share was down in 2019 due to corbyn, it'll go up again next election

 

[clint van damme]

no, i mean the local party actually getting the candidate they wanted in 2019 but where blocked from selecting due to a corbyn coup

it's the local members who trigger balloted and then deselected

Sam Tarry deselected as MP by Ilford South Labour members

Jas Athwal, leader of Redbridge council, wins hustings vote by 499 to 361 after constituency triggered reselection

www.theguardian.com

Streeting, vote share was down in 2019 due to corbyn, it'll go up again next election

His self referral nonsense is straight out of the tory play book. He's going to be a disaster and will be a loggerheads with medical professionals from day 1 in my opinion

 

[David O'Day]

His self referral nonsense is straight out of the tory play book. He's going to be a disaster and will be a loggerheads with medical professionals from day 1 in my opinion

No, no he won't

The family members who are medical don't see him as any kind of problem.

 

[clint van damme]

No, no he won't

The family members who are medical don't see him as any kind of problem.

Plenty do. He's already been criticised by the BMA and he's not endeared himself to junior doctors.
Surely you can see that self referal plan is absolute madness?
If Steve Barclay came out with it you'd be slating him.

 

[David O'Day]

Plenty do. He's already been criticised by the BMA and he's not endeared himself to junior doctors.
Surely you can see that self referal plan is absolute madness?
If Steve Barclay came out with it you'd be slating him.

Junior Doctors on the whole are ok with him, this is from the mouths of actual juniors doctors though so I guess the press maybe more accurate.

 

[Ian1779]

no, i mean the local party actually getting the candidate they wanted in 2019 but where blocked from selecting due to a corbyn coup

it's the local members who trigger balloted and then deselected

Sam Tarry deselected as MP by Ilford South Labour members

Jas Athwal, leader of Redbridge council, wins hustings vote by 499 to 361 after constituency triggered reselection

www.theguardian.com

Streeting, vote share was down in 2019 due to corbyn, it'll go up again next election

Streetings majority went down in 2019 due to Brexit position, suggesting anything else is laughable.

 

[David O'Day]

Streetings majority went down in 2019 due to Brexit position, suggesting anything else is laughable.

You mean in Redbridge? An area that was pro remain? I doorstepped in both Ilford seats in 2019 and it wasn't Brexit that was the issue in London.

Also to say the replacing of an MP the locals didn't want with their actual first choice is a "starmer coup" is frankly laughable

 

[Ian1779]

You mean in Redbridge? An area that was pro remain? I doorstepped in both Ilford seats in 2019 and it wasn't Brexit that was the issue in London.

Also to say the replacing of an MP the locals didn't want with their actual first choice is a "starmer coup" is frankly laughable

To be fair there were claims by Tarry about the voting integrity but no more news on that from came out, so maybe his protests were unsubstantiated.

 

[SomersetSB]

Starmer and Rayner down my way today, they seemed to come across well being as Swindon has two Tory mp’s that are marginal seats.

 

[clint van damme]

Junior Doctors on the whole are ok with him, this is from the mouths of actual juniors doctors though so I guess the press maybe more accurate.

I'm sure some doctors are OK with him, in the same way some teachers are tories, but he's already clashed with the BMA and he's not even in office.

 

[skybluetony176]

The irony of watching brexiteer Kemi Badenoch doing the media rounds selling joining the CPTPP with project fear. A trading block that only one country has ever left, the USA. The reason they gave for leaving? They had to give up too much sovereignty. If we wasn’t through the looking glass before, we are now.

Also democracy doesn’t matter anymore. We’re not going to be offered a referendum on joining this trading bloc.

 

[CCFCSteve]

The irony of watching brexiteer Kemi Badenoch doing the media rounds selling joining the CPTPP with project fear. A trading block that only one country has ever left, the USA. The reason they gave for leaving? They had to give up too much sovereignty. If we wasn’t through the looking glass before, we are now.

Also democracy doesn’t matter anymore. We’re not going to be offered a referendum on joining this trading bloc.

You’re definitely listening to James Obrien, he was proud of the no referendum comment . We’d need a referendum on every trade deal if that was the case though ? It’s a free/low tariff trade bloc not a political institution that the EU had become. If EU had stayed as a trading bloc we’d have never have needed a vote, let alone left.

Ive only seen initial reports but it looks like a positive step, so not sure why certain people are focussing on the negatives….well I do, I guess it makes potentially rejoining EU in future harder. It won’t make a huge direct difference to gdp in short term but longer term its likely to be beneficial, especially as more countries look to join it. It also helps us and thereby Europe, get/remain closer politically to key nations and allies elsewhere in the world

Ps Didn’t Obama join the TTP and then Trump (protectionist) leave ? If so, I know which ones judgement I’m more likely to trust. Taiwans looking to join and China applied to join in 2021 so don’t be surprised if US tries to do something with the group as part of their ongoing battle with China

 

[clint van damme]

You’re definitely listening to James Obrien, he was proud of the no referendum comment . We’d need a referendum on every trade deal if that was the case though ? It’s a free/low tariff trade bloc not a political institution that the EU had become. If EU had stayed as a trading bloc we’d have never have needed a vote, let alone left.

Ive only seen initial reports but it looks like a positive step, so not sure why certain people are focussing on the negatives….well I do, I guess it makes potentially rejoining EU in future harder. It won’t make a huge direct difference to gdp in short term but longer term its likely to be beneficial, especially as more countries look to join it. It also helps us and thereby Europe, get/remain closer politically to key nations and allies elsewhere in the world

Ps Didn’t Obama join the TTP and then Trump (protectionist) leave ? If so, I know which ones judgement I’m more likely to trust. Taiwans looking to join and China applied to join in 2021 so don’t be surprised if US tries to do something with the group as part of their ongoing battle with China

Will only increase GDP by 0.08% in the next decade and we already have free trade agreements with several counties in the bloc which are rollovers from when we were in the EU.
I think the hope is that the amount of trade will increase as the countries in the bloc develop and bigger fish will come on board, (there's talk of the States reversing Trumps reversal).

 

[CCFCSteve]

Will only increase GDP by 0.08% in the next decade and we already have free trade agreements with several counties in the bloc which are rollovers from when we were in the EU.
I think the hope is that the amount of trade will increase as the countries in the bloc develop and bigger fish will come on board, (there's talk of the States reversing Trumps reversal).

It’s is. Thats what I was saying. Wont make a huge immediate difference. I see it as positive rather than negative though

 

[shmmeee]

You’re definitely listening to James Obrien, he was proud of the no referendum comment . We’d need a referendum on every trade deal if that was the case though ? It’s a free/low tariff trade bloc not a political institution that the EU had become. If EU had stayed as a trading bloc we’d have never have needed a vote, let alone left.

Ive only seen initial reports but it looks like a positive step, so not sure why certain people are focussing on the negatives….well I do, I guess it makes potentially rejoining EU in future harder. It won’t make a huge direct difference to gdp in short term but longer term its likely to be beneficial, especially as more countries look to join it. It also helps us and thereby Europe, get/remain closer politically to key nations and allies elsewhere in the world

Ps Didn’t Obama join the TTP and then Trump (protectionist) leave ? If so, I know which ones judgement I’m more likely to trust. Taiwans looking to join and China applied to join in 2021 so don’t be surprised if US tries to do something with the group as part of their ongoing battle with China

Didnt the Yanks leave because it was an affront to their sovereignty?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Didnt the Yanks leave because it was an affront to their sovereignty?

The hilarious thing is they're joining the EU in 2024

 

[shmmeee]

The hilarious thing is they're joining the EU in 2024

The Yanks??

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The Yanks??

Yep.

 

[shmmeee]

Yep.

You’re doing that thing where your wit is too dry again aren’t you?

 

[PVA]

Corbyn seen as barrier for Labour at next election, new poll suggests – Omnisis

www.omnisis.co.uk

 

[CCFCSteve]

Didnt the Yanks leave because it was an affront to their sovereignty?

Think that’s what trump said

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You’re doing that thing where your wit is too dry again aren’t you?

It's the ever circular thing though isn't it, *something* has to be at fault for us not all eating the finest chocolate layered with gold leaf, so we always look at other things and think how much better they are.

only to find that they aren't.

 

[skybluetony176]

Ironically though the US and EU are talking about a new limited trade deal off the back of Bidens climate legislation dismantling barriers to trade between the US and EU. EU to the front of the queue.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Ironically though the US and EU are talking about a new limited trade deal off the back of Bidens climate legislation dismantling barriers to trade between the US and EU. EU to the front of the queue.

Isnt it just to do with making European minerals/EV batteries assembled outside US eligible for the US tax credits ?

It would make sense. There needs to be a combined global effort when it comes to climate change. It’s that or a possible trade war which isn’t really ideal. Also US wants to encourage Germany to ween itself off its trade with China. Easier said than done

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Gillian Keegan says 4.5% is the best they can do and if unions reject it they will go back to the pay review body. For parents on here who might not realise, the government only intend to fund 0.5 of that 4.5%, and want the rest to come out of the already tight budgets.

They are trying to skimp on children’s education again.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Gillian Keegan says 4.5% is the best they can do and if unions reject it they will go back to the pay review body. For parents on here who might not realise, the government only intend to fund 0.5 of that 4.5%, and want the rest to come out of the already tight budgets.

They are trying to skimp on children’s education again.

They don’t give a flying duck do they

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They don’t give a flying duck do they

Disappointing that Mr Starmer doesn’t either

 

[CCFCSteve]

Gillian Keegan says 4.5% is the best they can do and if unions reject it they will go back to the pay review body. For parents on here who might not realise, the government only intend to fund 0.5 of that 4.5%, and want the rest to come out of the already tight budgets.

They are trying to skimp on children’s education again.

Im no fan of the strikes but unless the schools budget has increased by several percent/near inflation this doesn’t appear workable and will obviously need additional central government funding. Not sure what they’re fucking about at

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Im no fan of the strikes but unless the schools budget has increased by several percent/near inflation this doesn’t appear workable and will obviously need additional central government funding. Not sure what they’re fucking about at

Well it's pretty clear what the strategy is. Get 'the unions' to be blamed for teachers getting paid more at the expense of the school's budget.

We have been insisting from the start that the pay rise must be fully funded and not come out of the current budgets. They do of course know that.

 

[Ian1779]

Corbyn seen as barrier for Labour at next election, new poll suggests – Omnisis

www.omnisis.co.uk

You should get some cash on him losing Islington North then…..