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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Who is drip drip dripping all this stuff to the media?

It's a great strategy. Don't go for a big bang.

Death by a thousand leaks. There's surely more to come.

I agree. Someone actually seems to understand how to keep them under pressure. Let a little bit out so they have to defend it. The release something later on that shows their excuses to be nonense and means they have to defend themselves again.

Trouble is the person doing it is most likely Cummings. And that's the problem - the people that work like this tend to be Grade A c***s

 

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The funboy three.

It ain't what they do, it's the way that they do it. That's what get results!

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Were we? I wasn’t. Both my daughters had birthdays during the first lockdown. One hit the milestone of becoming a teenager and we did nothing outside of our household. Fuck him.

I had my 40th a few months into lockdown. Saw one member of my family and was given facemasks, toilet rolls and hand sanitiser as presents. Though to be fair they really did try their hardest in impossible circumstances and it'll probably live longer in my memory than if I'd been able to have a normal birthday.

 

[skybluetony176]

It ain't what they do, it's the way that they do it. That's what get results!

Sue Gray hasn’t had much joy from interviewing party members either. They’ve circled the wagons and the only answer she can get from them is Our Lips are Sealed.

 

[oakey]

Left work on 19th March 2020 and was never able to return, collect things or say goodbye after 20 years there.
I retired in April 2020 and had my 60th birthday shortly after. Was not able to celebrate either after many months of counting down.
Nothing compared to what others endured but still feel cheated.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I agree. Someone actually seems to understand how to keep them under pressure. Let a little bit out so they have to defend it. The release something later on that shows their excuses to be nonense and means they have to defend themselves again.

Trouble is the person doing it is most likely Cummings. And that's the problem - the people that work like this tend to be Grade A c***s

100% it’s Cummings. He’s played a blinder.
I’ve always described Cummings to mates as like a scorned psycho ex mistress who refuses to go away, however, to be fair a lot of what he’s said about Johnson….and Carrie appears to be accurate and has been in the public interest - I don’t really like former government employees being able to spill beans on certain policial matters/meetings/decisions as it can be done without full context

As I think I might’ve said before the scary thing is Johnson knew Cummings had all this dirt and yet continued to lie…compulsively.

Bizarre situation all round and frightening that we have this distracting the government from the serious economic and geopolitical issues. Johnson has to put this to bed quickly and the only way to do that is to resign…..or go back to his mistress (sorry, not a nice image ) which obviously won’t happen

 

[clint van damme]

Bizarre situation all round and frightening that we have this distracting the government from the serious economic and geopolitical issues.

This. There are still huge Brexit and covid related issues to deal with yet they seem to be getting put on the back burner while he constantly fire fights one allegation after another, it's no way to govern a country.

 

[skybluetony176]

This. There are still huge Brexit and covid related issues to deal with yet they seem to be getting put on the back burner while he constantly fire fights one allegation after another, it's no way to govern a country.

It sounds like dealing with the fallout is no more of a distraction than the parties themselves. Boris Johnson only seems to do two things in office. Party and photo opps while delivering meaningless three word catchphrases. Not sure what Boris does but it doesn’t seem to be running the country. We’re a rudderless ship.

 

[CCFCSteve]

This. There are still huge Brexit and covid related issues to deal with yet they seem to be getting put on the back burner while he constantly fire fights one allegation after another, it's no way to govern a country.

The potential war in Ukraine is currently an even bigger concern as it could lead to other issues (with China in particular). We’ve got dead man walking Johnson, doddery old Biden and an at best nonplussed scholz (at worst almost complicit). Putin and Xi probably can’t believe their luck. I’ve thought for a while world leaders/politicians are getting rapidly worse…the West needs to pull its collective fingers out…and quickly

 

[clint van damme]

The potential war in Ukraine is currently an even bigger concern as it could lead to other issues (with China in particular). We’ve got dead man walking Johnson, doddery old Biden and an at best nonplussed scholz (at worst almost complicit). Putin and Xi probably can’t believe their luck. I’ve thought for a while world leaders/politicians are getting worse…the West needs to pull its collective fingers out…and quickly

The West, (NATO), gave certain assurances about expansion, Putin is a slippery, corrupt fuck but I think he's got a point in this case.

 

[CCFCSteve]

The West, (NATO), gave certain assurances about expansion, Putin is a slippery, corrupt fuck but I think he's got a point in this case.

Im no expert at all and have only paid a passing interest in the past. He probably has a point but that just feels like an excuse. Look at Crimea. Surely it’s up to democratic nations to decide what they want to do.

He’s been getting involved in western politics, trying to weaken democracy etc all over the world….much aided by ourselves (the West). I personally wouldn’t trust anything that comes out his mouth. Hopefully it can be resolved without conflict but it’s worrying

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The only thing that could focus the Tories on anything is an election

 

[David O'Day]

But, but but he said no one cares about parties!

 

[Philosoraptor]

Sue Gray Day is actually a thing.

There's meant be a bomb a day from Cummings.

We are definetly looking at an end game being played out.

 

[Skybluefaz]

*ironic cheers*

 

[SBT]

Find/replace “Sue Gray” with “the Metropolitan Police”

 

[PVA]

So we have a sitting Prime Minister who is the subject of a police investigation.

Wow. No one cares about parties though.

They are right to investigate of course, but the downside is we'll have months of 'we need to wait for the police to conclude their investigation before I make any further comment'

 

[Skybluefaz]

Doesn't this just make the Met look more shite than they are already perceived to be? Our intstitutions are a laughing stock.

 

[Frostie]

So we have a sitting Prime Minister who is the subject of a police investigation.

Wow. No one cares about parties though.

They are right to investigate of course, but the downside is we'll have months of 'we need to wait for the police to conclude their investigation before I make any further comment'

Yep. Got to wonder if it's just another tactic to delay further in the hope that the furore dies down.

 

[Sick Boy]

Yep. Got to wonder if it's just another tactic to delay further in the hope that the furore dies down.

Disgrace.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Disgrace.

I don’t think you can blame Gray. If she releases her report and then more damning evidence comes to light from a police investigation then that’s her reputation tarnished/fucked. She can’t win

 

[skybluetony176]

I can’t help but think that this was the plan from the start. Start a lengthy police investigation just as an internal investigation is about to be released, buy Johnson a few more weeks maybe months in the hope when all the details are published it will all be forgotten about and some aides will be thrown under the bus to save Boris.

Said it all along, Boris will leave office detested in much the same way as Blair is. The only difference I can see now is that unlike Blair he won’t be able to leave on his own terms with just enough time to hand the reigns to his chancellor as even bigger shit hits the fan.

 

[chiefdave]

I can’t help but think that this was the plan from the start. Start a lengthy police investigation just as an internal investigation is about to be released, buy Johnson a few more weeks maybe months in the hope when all the details are published it will all be forgotten about and some aides will be thrown under the bus to save Boris.

Said it all along, Boris will leave office detested in much the same way as Blair is. The only difference I can see now is that unlike Blair he won’t be able to leave on his own terms with just enough time to hand the reigns to his chancellor as even bigger shit hits the fan.

Just another one of those huge coincidences isn't it. The Met have been asked for months now to investigate and have refused. As soon as a report is due to be published all of a sudden there's going to be an investigation and the report can no longer be published!

 

[PVA]

It comes to something when being investigated by the police is considered a reprieve for the PM.

I think that's a pretty good summary of the state of the country.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Just another one of those huge coincidences isn't it. The Met have been asked for months now to investigate and have refused. As soon as a report is due to be published all of a sudden there's going to be an investigation and the report can no longer be published!

I might be wrong but is it because there has now been details of a non work party published which I guess is harder to argue/disguise

The problem for the Met is bigger than the investigation timing…Im guessing they would’ve known who was entering and leaving downing st so to some extent have been complicit. Ultimately it’s not their or Grays fault though, this all stems from the wrong culture of downing st

 

[Otis]

Probably DC

He's a marvel.

And a comic.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I might be wrong but is it because there has now been details of a non work party published which I guess is harder to argue/disguise

The problem for the Met is bigger than the investigation timing…Im guessing they would’ve known who was entering and leaving downing st so to some extent have been complicit. Ultimately it’s not their or Grays fault though, this all stems from the wrong culture of downing st

It's very Johnson, isn't it. tbh each of them on their own aren't *that* bad in the main, but he's in charge, he sets the rules! He has to be whiter than white in keeping to those rules.

But he doesn't do rules.

 

[duffer]

Only what we were all doing so fair play. Shame on whoever keeps grassing him up thought

I'm sorry but that's rubbish. In my family and friends lockdown covered two significant, milestone birthdays and also two funerals.

No one broke the rules, which was hard on everyone involved. Most respected lockdown, it's only people who think they're above the law that propogate this myth that everyone was at it. We weren't.

And I'm sorry but words like "grassing" and "snitch" are also an indicator to me of someone who breaks the law but is scared to face the consequences.

A coward's word, basically. Entirely apt for Boris who has never faced up to anything in his life, unless absolutely forced to.

 

[Skybluefaz]

I'm sorry but that's rubbish. In my family and friends lockdown covered two significant, milestone birthdays and also two funerals.

No one broke the rules, which was hard on everyone involved. Most respected lockdown, it's only people who think they're above the law that propogate this myth that everyone was at it. We weren't.

And I'm sorry but words like "grassing" and "snitch" are also an indicator to me of someone who breaks the law but is scared to face the consequences.

A coward's word, basically. Entirely apt for Boris who has never faced up to anything in his life, unless absolutely forced to.

The person you are replying to has appeared under multiple accounts with the sole purpose of trolling. Not worth engaging with.

 

[clint van damme]

Im no expert at all and have only paid a passing interest in the past. He probably has a point but that just feels like an excuse. Look at Crimea. Surely it’s up to democratic nations to decide what they want to do.

He’s been getting involved in western politics, trying to weaken democracy etc all over the world….much aided by ourselves (the West). I personally wouldn’t trust anything that comes out his mouth. Hopefully it can be resolved without conflict but it’s worrying

Getting involved in democracies all over the world you say?! Wonder where he learnt that trick?!

Hes a wrong un but we've aided and abetted him turning Russia into a kleptocracy and making him very wealthy, we should never have allowed that to happen. It's definitely emboldened him, no doubt in my mind he's got a few high placed high profile russian assets in the West aswell.

 

[Frostie]

 

[shmmeee]

Loving the excuses this is bringing out.

Add “unintentionally present for cake”

 

[PVA]

His interior designer was apparently accidentally there as well.

Don't you just hate it when you accidentally stumble into a birthday party and then accidentally stay for food and drink. Bloody pain in the arse isn't it.

 

[skybluetony176]

Loving the excuses this is bringing out.

Add “unintentionally present for cake”

You could read that as a dig as well though. Went in to attend a meeting only to find that a party had been thrown in the room that an official meeting was supposed to be taking place.

 

[SomersetSB]

Boris Johnson: Sue Gray has received photos of parties in Downing Street which show the PM next to wine bottles, Sky News understandsBoris Johnson: Sue Gray has received photos of parties in Downing Street which show the PM next to wine bottles, Sky News understands