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David O'Day
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Boris gets battered everywhere he goes
No one cares about parties
No one cares about parties
David O'Day
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Tory scum
David O'Day
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Awks
chiefdave
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I'm not Starmer's biggest fan but that was a decent performance. As ever the problem is not enough people pay attention to things like PMQs so you are reliant that the soundbites that make it to the mainstream media are representative of what those who watch PMQs have actually seen.
Think the victims of Saville kicking off could do him a lot of harm, especially as he has made comments like "£60m I saw as being spaffed up the wall on some investigation into historic child abuse" in the past.
Think the victims of Saville kicking off could do him a lot of harm, especially as he has made comments like "£60m I saw as being spaffed up the wall on some investigation into historic child abuse" in the past.
David O'Day
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It's a shite line of attack as you can't repeat it outside of parliament without getting sued
David O'Day
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In touch with the people
skybluetony176
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Yeah but Fullfact is probably run by a bunch of socialists lesbian libtard metropolitan liberal elite types so take that with a pinch of salt.
Checks notes. Nope. Set up and run by Tories in the Blair/Brown years to hold a labour government to account.
Everyone is gunning for Boris.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Hopefully the media will hound him in press conferences about it and ask him to repeat it.
David O'Day
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Oh dear Boris
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skybluetony176
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skybluetony176
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Apparently another letter of no confidence going in at 5pm specifically on the point of the Jimmy Savile slur.
A lie too far.
A lie too far.
David O'Day
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Oh Boris Laddddd!
BodicoteSkyBlue
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Fingers crossed they get to 54 ASAP
David O'Day
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I am enjoying the slow drip of death to be fair
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I dunno, if he wins the no confidence vote, which he surely would, he'd be protected for twelve months. And unlike most normal Prime Ministers, could you see the loss of authority mean that he'd resign
Maybe and Johnsons brought it upon himself but it’s a massive distraction, as highlighted by him missing call to Putin to be in HoC. theres a ton of pressing issues which are on the back burner currently and all we might get is ‘red meat policy’ shat to appease his own backbenches. That isn’t good whatever someone’s political persuasion
It also continues to further damage the public confidence, trust and faith in government and to an extent democracy (especially on the back of Trump/Biden shitshow). Not good times
skybluetony176
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That’s a massive gamble for the Conservatives. Vote to save him and he’s safe for another 12 months, another 12 months of sleaze and lies, another 12 months of Dominic Cummings releasing small cut after small cut, another 12 months of decreasing trust in a Tory government under Boris’ control. VS. Get rid of him now giving you the longest possible opportunity to recover from Boris before the next GE and also have a fall guy for the failed covid response, the failing brexit experiment, rising cost of living, failing economy etc etc.
This is the party that stabbed Maggie in the back. Why wouldn’t they stab dead dog like Boris.
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tbf that probably averted WW3
I wonder if they’re waiting until after May elections and/or possibly something new and even more damming to be released from the Met report…confirmation of parties in his flat for example, which means he definitely lied to Parliament. If the May elections go as anticipated ie heavy Tory losses, the momentum for removal would mean it would be very hard for him to win a leadership contest.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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While I'm enjoying them letting Boris die a death of 1,000 self-inflicted cuts, I'm torn about whether I'd prefer him to stay.
If he goes, Tories just bring in another person and we reset and everyone forgets everything that everyone else still around was complicit in. Gets the veneer of competence, probably calls a snap election relatively soon (citing the need to restore public faith in the system which they themselves had eroded) while they've got the bounce of a new leader and hey presto, Tories stay in yet again and we get another five years of failed policies. Longer Boris hangs around the more likelihood there is of ousting them. Lose the battle to win the war.
But there can be absolutely no way they'll even be considering having Boris in charge for another election.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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That is probably the plan. Keep him around long enough so they can stick every piece of shit on him rather than the party.
They don't care about losing council elections. They consistently cut funding and push costs onto them in government so having them under Labour and then struggling just helps their own narrative that Labour are rubbish with spending. That gives them something to work with ahead of the really important thing - the general election.
David O'Day
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I'd like him to stay longer as he is damaging the tories
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David O'Day
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Ian1779
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You can’t of course - but they will try and square it off like this instead…
Starmer needs to come out strongly on this and shut it down quickly.
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Do you think that the call with Putin would have delivered any value? Putin is far too clever and powerful to care about anything Johnson would have said to him. I worry more about what damage Johnson could have done in that call. His record of diplomacy as Foreign Secretary wasn't great was it?
This Government and Prime Minister paralysed by all the parties business is actually safer than if they had time or ability to do anything.
chiefdave
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“This failure occurred on his watch and was therefore, ultimately, his responsibility” possibly not the best thing for the Conservatives to be pushing at the moment given what's gone on under Johnsons watch.
Ian1779
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Of course - but post Boris when he’s been ‘held to account’ and deposed?
The point is that there is a theme of the line of accountability that the average voter understands and relates to. The Tories are laying the seeds now to exploit it later down the line. It needs stopping now in the way that Corbyn failed to stop those initial AS smears that engulfed him.
skybluetony176
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I think that’s possibly the most likely scenario. I just think any assumption that he’d win a vote of no confidence is misplaced. Regardless of whether that’s next week or after the May local elections. I think that once the opportunity is there he’s fucked. When the Spartans, ERG, CRG or whatever their cult are calling themselves today along with Red Wall Tories have the knives he’s had it. Even the front bench doesn’t seem to have a united front. Although I can’t work out if Sunak is keeping quiet because he’s trying to distance himself from Boris as much as possible ahead of his own leadership campaign or because he’s up to his neck in partygate and not denying and contradicting himself now affords himself the chance of rebuilding his political career in the future.
skybluetony176
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I think you’ve got to look at when Maggie was ousted. Kinnock was smashing her in the polls, they got rid, Major come in with some new manager bounce and a good election campaign smashed Kinnock in the next GE defying the odds and the opinion polls in the most unlikely of victories. I suspect most Tory MP’s are currently considering that history.
Then again Boris purged the party of intellectuals so maybe not. They’ll probably stick with him until the next GE.
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Liquid Gold
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I'm sorry but I think Thatcher won the leadership contest so they didn't technically get rid of her. It was close enough that she thought she didn't have the confidence of her party though so did the honourable thing and resign. No chance of that these days.
skybluetony176
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Actually, you might be right. It was so long ago.