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skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Grendel said:
You’ve been the wrong side of every political vote since you could vote haven’t you surely?

Regarding Ukraine do you support another £2.5 billion on more arms for Ukraine? I’m sure many Uk people could benefit from that?
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That’s a quarter of what the government is going to pay in extra interest on the countries current debt this year due to it’s mismanagement of the economy just in the last week. On that basis I’m going to say £2.5B to Ukraine is money well spent.
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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skybluetony176 said:
That’s a quarter of what the government is going to pay in extra interest on the countries current debt this year due to it’s mismanagement of the economy just in the last week. On that basis I’m going to say £2.5B to Ukraine is money well spent.
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also it's not as if the 2.5 billion has been removed from any departments discretionary spending so it's a bullshit comparison
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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skybluetony176 said:
Of course he does, he’s a moron.
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Brexit is only turning into a bigger mistake as time goes by

The Tories have installed successively worse PMs and profoundly mismanaged the economy which is usually their main line of attack on Labour

The country is in a far worse place than it was in 2010 and there has been only steady decline. A strong Labour government, preferably for 15-20 years, is the antidote
 
Philosoraptor

Philosoraptor

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shmmeee said:
it was the breakdown of that top five percent meana that shocked me. £1bn for fewer people than go to a CCFC League Cup first round game
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Tories have always had the ideology of getting rid of that top rate of tax and came up with various excuses to try to implement it, like it is not cost-effective etc.

I doubt this decision has anything to do with economy but with Truss backers
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Did I hear correctly on the radio this morning? Talk of needing to call the IMF in to stabilise the collapsing economy.
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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PVA said:
These people are deranged.

The pound crashed because Labour might win the next election. Amazing

(He babbles on for a bit longer that just the tweet below, but I can't be bothered to post them all.)

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type of shit some people post on here

what's his log in
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Ian1779 said:
They’d be better putting the energy into chasing non-voters I reckon.
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Non-voters look the same as voters. It’s not a strategy. You win elections by convincing people who vote to vote for you, and if you convince a Tory voter that’s worth double.

And the default voter in the U.K. is a Tory voter after all, so it’s a bit hard to avoid them.
 
Ian1779

Ian1779

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shmmeee said:
Non-voters look the same as voters. It’s not a strategy. You win elections by convincing people who vote to vote for you, and if you convince a Tory voter that’s worth double.

And the default voter in the U.K. is a Tory voter after all, so it’s a bit hard to avoid them.
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Well it is a strategy by attracting people that wouldn’t ordinarily vote to do so because you’ve given them incentive to do so.
Might not be a strategy that you can measure to be fair.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Ian1779 said:
Well it is a strategy by attracting people that wouldn’t ordinarily vote to do so because you’ve given them incentive to do so.
Might not be a strategy that you can measure to be fair.
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You can. We have numbers.

This is a breakdown of a hypothetical 2017, which shows the task required:Could Corbyn win an election by mobilising non-voters? Not if he doesn’t win over Conservative supporters too

Basically we’d need record and world beating turnout and all new voters to vote Labour to overturn the Tories.

The right method is to let Lib Dem’s and Greens take votes from the Tories in the particularly right wing bits of the country, and get back the lost seats in places with low levels of University education.

Doubling down on the base just gives you numbers where you don’t need them and is more likely to turn off non partisan voters.

This is why I strongly believe you need activists, including economic activists, making the case in the media, and politicians tacking to the public and plucking ideas once the ground is set.
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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shmmeee said:
You can. We have numbers.

This is a breakdown of a hypothetical 2017, which shows the task required:Could Corbyn win an election by mobilising non-voters? Not if he doesn’t win over Conservative supporters too

Basically we’d need record and world beating turnout and all new voters to vote Labour to overturn the Tories.

The right method is to let Lib Dem’s and Greens take votes from the Tories in the particularly right wing bits of the country, and get back the lost seats in places with low levels of University education.

Doubling down on the base just gives you numbers where you don’t need them and is more likely to turn off non partisan voters.

This is why I strongly believe you need activists, including economic activists, making the case in the media, and politicians tacking to the public and plucking ideas once the ground is set.
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There are so many people looking for an excuse not to vote Tory, trust me on that. The problem is, and you can see it even in this thread which is a highly left leaning one, that there is very little self-critique. I well and truly agree that the Tories, for example, are generally a bunch of pricks and their behaviour, policies, and the like do not deserve to be rewarded with support from the general public. Yet, the opposition isn't doing enough to pull the swing voters away.

Look at Sweden and Italy, almost no mention of that here at all. If there is, it is just some sound bites about 'the far right'. Unfortunately, the left is being rejected everywhere at a time where they should be clearing up. I know people on here will try to argue that I am wrong, but I don't know how many times I can say it as someone who falls into the category of a swing voter myself. The left need to stop blaming everyone else and sort themselves out, they'll then win easily and probably stay in power for a considerable length of time. A large chunk of people voting for the Tories come election time aren't coming out of the polling stations with massive grins on their faces but they'll keep voting for them until they have another party to vote for that they can relate to better on all matter of levels.
 
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PVA

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@Earlsdon_Skyblue1 some fair points there, but I don't think Labour need to do much at the moment.

The Tories are utterly destroying themselves and their reputation. Labour just need to sit back and watch them burn.

They have a 17 point lead without really having to do a great deal.

There will come a time when they need to put their foot on the accelerator, and there have been some decent policies unveiled this week, but I would think that time will come much closer to an election.

For now they can just carry on watching the Tories crash and burn.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
There are so many people looking for an excuse not to vote Tory, trust me on that. The problem is, and you can see it even in this thread which is a highly left leaning one, that there is very little self-critique. I well and truly agree that the Tories, for example, are generally a bunch of pricks and their behaviour, policies, and the like do not deserve to be rewarded with support from the general public. Yet, the opposition isn't doing enough to pull the swing voters away.

Look at Sweden and Italy, almost no mention of that here at all. If there is, it is just some sound bites about 'the far right'. Unfortunately, the left is being rejected everywhere at a time where they should be clearing up. I know people on here will try to argue that I am wrong, but I don't know how many times I can say it as someone who falls into the category of a swing voter myself. The left need to stop blaming everyone else and sort themselves out, they'll then win easily and probably stay in power for a considerable length of time. A large chunk of people voting for the Tories come election time aren't coming out of the polling stations with massive grins on their faces but they'll keep voting for them until they have another party to vote for that they can relate to better on all matter of levels.
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That would be the centre left in Sweden who got the most votes and increased their vote share? Or the centre left party in Italy that came second and whose vote share was static?

We know there’s a 20% nationalist vote in most countries, they voted Labour, then UKIP, then Tory, and now will probably either splinter into various fringe groups, coalesce around a NewKIP or not vote.

Point is they already vote. Non voters views are identical to voter views. Everyone with minority beliefs thinks that all those people out there that don’t vote are doing so because they hold the same minority views. Whereas most don’t care or don’t see the point where they live.

The number of politically engaged non voters is tiny.
 
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