Do you want to discuss boring politics? (40 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

There are some issues that undoubtedly should be raised in an otherwise unrelated TV broadcast - either ones that affect us all (racism) or are specific to the setting (Qatari human rights abuses). I'm not sure an industrial dispute between one particular sector and today's British government rises to that standard. Speaking out is important, and it's not like I think there should be hard and fast rules about it, but I don't want to give carte blanche to any old presenter to get on their soapbox in any setting. Roy Keane piping up next and urging Rishi to smash the unions wouldn't have been appropriate either.

In what way do workers rights not affect us all? He’s just saying that in rich countries workers should be treated properly. It’s not different from someone saying anti-LGBT policies are a problem there and also we need to do more at home.

 

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[clint van damme]

There are some issues that undoubtedly should be raised in an otherwise unrelated TV broadcast - either ones that affect us all (racism) or are specific to the setting (Qatari human rights abuses). I'm not sure an industrial dispute between one particular sector and today's British government rises to that standard. Speaking out is important, and it's not like I think there should be hard and fast rules about it, but I don't want to give carte blanche to any old presenter to get on their soapbox in any setting. Roy Keane piping up next and urging Rishi to smash the unions wouldn't have been appropriate either.

In principle I agree with you, but it's hard not to be on board with something that winds Lee Anderson up.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Someone has to speak up, though; so much of the news is dominated by right-wing tabloids pushing the agendas of a privileged select few.

Then he can write an opinion piece in a lefty paper

 

[SBT]

In what way do workers rights not affect us all? He’s just saying that in rich countries workers should be treated properly. It’s not different from someone saying anti-LGBT policies are a problem there and also we need to do more at home.

Workers' rights obviously do, and I've no issue with what he said at the start of his rant about protecting them at home and abroad. I'm just not sure that the specific problems facing British nurses (in Neville's own words, asking for £1 or £2 extra) belonged in the same sentence as the literal modern-day slavery faced by workers in Qatar. Important as they both are in their own ways, it seemed like the kind of stretch that I'd rather not see in the hands of footballers and TV personalities who are much thicker than Neville.

 

[skybluetony176]

In principle I agree with you, but it's hard not to be on board with something that winds Lee Anderson up.

What doesn’t wind him up. To hear him go on you’d be forgiven for thinking that we’ve just had 12 years of a lefty, wokey government. We’ve had 12 years of his politics and apparently everything is wrong/broken and none of it is anything to do with his politics.

 

[skybluetony176]

Talking of Lee Anderson’s politics the results are in of the recent study by the Nuffield Trust on the NHS and Lee Anderson’s politics has directly contributed to the shortage in NHS staff and is driving up the cost of drugs into the UK.

Health and Brexit: six years on

The latest instalment from our project monitoring the effects of the UK's exit from the EU on our health care system finds the clearest evidence yet that Brexit and its changing relationships with neighbouring countries are exacerbating the severe challenges facing health and social care in the...

www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk

 

[skybluetony176]

I think the Tories are running out of people they can BS.

 

[Ian1779]

What doesn’t wind him up. To hear him go on you’d be forgiven for thinking that we’ve just had 12 years of a lefty, wokey government. We’ve had 12 years of his politics and apparently everything is wrong/broken and none of it is anything to do with his politics.

Lee Anderson is the epitome of every narcissistic, weedy little grifter that has managed to infiltrate local (and sometimes national) politics over the last 40 years.

As big a c*** as Maton… and that’s no mean feat.

 

[shmmeee]

Lee Anderson is the epitome of every narcissistic, weedy little grifter that has managed to infiltrate local (and sometimes national) politics over the last 40 years.

As big a c*** as Maton… and that’s no mean feat.

Isn’t he the one that got caught with his mate pretending to be a random voter? (Anderson, not Maton)

Edit: yep

Tory MP candidate caught getting friend to pose as anti-Labour swing voter, as party's disinformation campaign continues

‘You know I’m the candidate, but not a friend, alright?’ Conservative heard saying on phone, after forgetting he was wearing microphone

www.independent.co.uk

 

[shmmeee]

More from 30p Lee. What a clown

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[David O'Day]

30p Lee is making a good go of winning the converted "most stupid man in parliament, ever".

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

30p Lee is making a good go of winning the converted "most stupid man in parliament, ever".

That's got some competition. And that's just from those there currently!

 

[shmmeee]

There’s so many stupid MPs it hurts. Not exclusively from the Tories as well, all parties. Would never work but I’d love to see open primaries for MPs. Might get a few less local party weirdos then.

 

[JAM See]

30p Lee is making a good go of winning the converted "most stupid man in parliament, ever".

Sexist! This is an equal opportunity parliament.

We welcome idiots from any gender.

 

[JAM See]

There’s so many stupid MPs it hurts. Not exclusively from the Tories as well, all parties. Would never work but I’d love to see open primaries for MPs. Might get a few less local party weirdos then.

Google 'Sortition' .

I genuinely believe it may be a way forward for the HoL replacement (which is definitely coming).

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Anderson also came out with this 3 years ago

Tory candidate claims 'nuisance tenants' should have to live in field and pick potatoes at 6am

Lee Anderson, the Conservative candidate in Ashfield, accused of 'targeting vulnerable people' after appearing to propose forced labour

www.independent.co.uk

 

[David O'Day]

Sexist! This is an equal opportunity parliament.

We welcome idiots from any gender.

Fair point, there's some lego eaters in and amongst the female tory MPs as well

 

[clint van damme]

Haha!
What a fucking transparent attempt to conceal their part in something they were balls deep in.

 

[shmmeee]

Google 'Sortition' .

I genuinely believe it may be a way forward for the HoL replacement (which is definitely coming).

I may have spotted a flaw

 

[PVA]

I don't know if Anderson is stupid or not, he probably is, but I do know he's a nasty bigoted c**t and I can't wait for him to lose his seat.

Same goes for Gullis.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Google 'Sortition' .

I genuinely believe it may be a way forward for the HoL replacement (which is definitely coming).

It would be great to have actual experts involved, though again it would depend on what processes were in place to allow their nomination.

But at the same time they would need more power than the HoL which can only send legislation back to the Commons.

I still also don't like that the breakdown of MP's by party in the Commons is often very different to the actual number of votes cast for each party, and that needs to be included.

But at the same time I don't want to lose constitunency MP's and local representation, so we need a system that offers both PR and FPTP.

 

[fernandopartridge]

It's about time the Tories were given a fair crack of the whip at governing the country with such talent waiting in the backbenches

I think he must post on here

 

[fernandopartridge]

Lee Anderson is the epitome of every narcissistic, weedy little grifter that has managed to infiltrate local (and sometimes national) politics over the last 40 years.

As big a c*** as Maton… and that’s no mean feat.

He was in the local Labour party at one point weren't he?

 

[shmmeee]

He was in the local Labour party at one point weren't he?

He was. A councillor too. Defected a year before being elected as an MP.

 

[wingy]

Why are the media continually suggesting that inflation+5% =19%.
Plus ministers spouting rediculous macho I will enforce the minimum's of service required when the employees know the minimum requirements and as far as I'm aware have never suggested anywhere that it wouldn't be the case .
Macho twat's.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Why are the media continually suggesting that inflation+5% =19%.
Plus ministers spouting rediculous macho I will enforce the minimum's of service required when the employees know the minimum requirements and as far as I'm aware have never suggested anywhere that it wouldn't be the case .
Macho twat's.

Yep bizarre. It’s to double down on the old strikers against the public thing. Um the public are striking and there is huge support for the nhs staff striking. So what do they do? Make out the strikers are against the public
It’s the very definition of saying the same thing with different words.
Just accept you’ve screwed up and talk literally just talk

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Haha!
What a fucking transparent attempt to conceal their part in something they were balls deep in.

That’s worse than David Brent calling the talking clock

 

[David O'Day]

He was. A councillor too. Defected a year before being elected as an MP.

defected before he was booted

 

[PVA]

Another racist Tory? What a shocking turn of events!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Another racist Tory? What a shocking turn of events!

Tit

 

[wingy]

They're definitely trying to divide the bands and get the nurses on other to the rest .

 

[fernandopartridge]

Thread here explaining similar things to what I've tried to do re NHS management. Wrongly though tries to ignore that management costs

 

[CCFCSteve]

Thread here explaining similar things to what I've tried to do re NHS management. Wrongly though tries to ignore that management costs

This is spot on. It just appears a shambles at the moment and getting worse. I was reading another article recently that was again, rightly suggesting, it’s not that there’s too many managers, just that many at senior levels just aren’t very good. This then leads to consultants being brought in getting paid exorbitant amounts to do senior manger level jobs for them. That plus the merry go round of health ministers post pandemic!

If that’s sorted plus social care I reckon a lot of the immediate pressure will be relieved. Back log will obviously take a lot longer. It doesn’t take Einstein to work out that if 13k beds (filled by people well enough to go home with right care) get freed up, A&E pressures reduce and ambulances don’t get stuck in the queue. I’d also stop paramedics stopping with non critical ambulance cases and get back out on road

What the fuck Sunaks doing by not at least trying to get pay offer up a bit I don’t know. I’d have immediately brought forward a new pay review* due to exceptional circumstances. The fact there’s 40k vacancies justifies a different treatment to others. He’ll lose the public battle if he doesn’t budge as this is very different to train and postal strikes

*think the last/current one was Feb so is well out of date. I might be wrong though

 

[wingy]

This is spot on. It just appears a shambles at the moment and getting worse. I was reading another article recently that was again, rightly suggesting, it’s not that there’s too many managers, just that many at senior levels just aren’t very good. This then leads to consultants being brought in getting paid exorbitant amounts to do senior manger level jobs for them. That plus the merry go round of health ministers post pandemic!

If that’s sorted plus social care I reckon a lot of the immediate pressure will be relieved. Back log will obviously take a lot longer. It doesn’t take Einstein to work out that if 13k beds (filled by people well enough to go home with right care) get freed up, A&E pressures reduce and ambulances don’t get stuck in the queue. I’d also stop paramedics stopping with non critical ambulance cases and get back out on road

What the fuck Sunaks doing by not at least trying to get pay offer up a bit I don’t know. I’d have immediately brought forward a new pay review* due to exceptional circumstances. The fact there’s 40k vacancies justifies a different treatment to others. He’ll lose the public battle if he doesn’t budge as this is very different to train and postal strikes

*think the last/current one was Feb so is well out of date. I might be wrong though

Yeah last bits right .
Rees Mogg at lunchtime was suggesting start looking at the new one for next year now and let that address the shortfall.
Probably works if it comes in around 15%.
Or as a journalist proposed the dropping of stamp duty could be reinstated to pay for it.

 

[shmmeee]

This is spot on. It just appears a shambles at the moment and getting worse. I was reading another article recently that was again, rightly suggesting, it’s not that there’s too many managers, just that many at senior levels just aren’t very good. This then leads to consultants being brought in getting paid exorbitant amounts to do senior manger level jobs for them. That plus the merry go round of health ministers post pandemic!

If that’s sorted plus social care I reckon a lot of the immediate pressure will be relieved. Back log will obviously take a lot longer. It doesn’t take Einstein to work out that if 13k beds (filled by people well enough to go home with right care) get freed up, A&E pressures reduce and ambulances don’t get stuck in the queue. I’d also stop paramedics stopping with non critical ambulance cases and get back out on road

What the fuck Sunaks doing by not at least trying to get pay offer up a bit I don’t know. I’d have immediately brought forward a new pay review* due to exceptional circumstances. The fact there’s 40k vacancies justifies a different treatment to others. He’ll lose the public battle if he doesn’t budge as this is very different to train and postal strikes

*think the last/current one was Feb so is well out of date. I might be wrong though

I think across the public sector there’s this downwards pressure on wages that means you just don’t get top talent. Seen it at the BBC where people just don’t get how high market rate is and the same at director level posts in NHS Trusts on just into six figures. That’s not that high to be a director of a company that size. And I’ve never seen a tech job for public sector when I’ve been job hunting really, I assume it all goes out to consultancies at extortionate rates but not sure.

Its very easy to get people up in arms about public sector workers earning >£60k but that’s what good people earn in all kinds of roles in the private sector.

Even things like teachers you’re seeing a massive shortfall in technical subjects recruiting because why on Earth would you earn at most what a decent grad program would pay you when you’ve got a STEM degree?

And at lower levels you end up competing with retail and the like with much lower stress levels or higher pay for less qualification requirements.

So people aren’t coming in, others are leaving, and you have to plug the gap with expensive agency staff at the low level and consultants at the high level. You can sustain a little bit of a difference because people will work harder and for less in public services but too much no it’s just self defeating.

My gut says this is all politicians looking short term and not being honest with voters. They won’t admit what these services cost and always pretend they can bring costs down, and they don’t care about problems piling up for the next lot to deal with. Look at PFI under Blair: got massive short term improvements which were needed, but had to try and hide the spending and ended up costing us loads more.

That said I’m not sure voters are ready for the truth and like the simple lies that feel good.