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Does seem a tactical error mind you, as it does allow for those kind of accusations, baseless or not.
Why allow mud to be thrown, when there are plenty who can do that job?
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Why allow mud to be thrown, when there are plenty who can do that job?
skybluetony176
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I’m sure this will surprise nobody but…
skybluetony176
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The right has certainly lost its shit over the appointment.
Terry Gibson's perm
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It’s a shame more teachers unions aren’t striking , not sure how schools are dealing with it at my daughters school if you get free school meals you can attend if not you have to stay at home.
Ian1779
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Certainly doesn’t help the idea of trying to improve trust in politicians either.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Never understood MP's who use the argument of teachers having long holidays.‘I wasn’t insulting all teachers, just the 800,000 who belong to a union’
Labour attacks Sir Gavin Williamson over teachers 'insult' in leaked texts
The then education secretary appears to question teachers' work ethic in leaked pandemic texts.www.bbc.co.uk
MP's weren't sat for 18 weeks in the last year, and are getting a week for the coronation.
And before someone like Grendel point outs that they've got constituency work and white papers etc. to get to the actual chamber, see marking and lesson planning.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Does seem like a very silly appointment because it will lead to accusations like this, no matter how untrue they may be.
Though if what many of the Tories are arguing now, it suggests Johnson is a poor judge of character and therefore not a great pick for PM. So either way he shouldn't have had the job.
clint van damme
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I'm no fan of Starmer but when it comes to cronyism and jobs for the boys and girls I don't think he'll be short of dirt to throw back at the tories.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The anti-union rules did a very good job for the most part. NAHT, one of the Heads' unions, got a huge % voting in favour of strike action, but turnout was 40% instead of 50. Similar for NASUWT who got 90% of those who voted to support strike action, but turnout was 42%.
All the ballots have to be done by post and as we all know, this was during a time of postal strike action and general postal disruption. NEU got turnout of 54% despite all that, and we have now gained over 50,000 members since the ballot result was announced. Which tells you that actually, far from being 'told to strike', the demand is clearly from the profession.
David O'Day
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The Sue Gray move is genius.
Brings tory partygate back into play and if it upsets Nadine they that is a vote winner
Brings tory partygate back into play and if it upsets Nadine they that is a vote winner
skybluetony176
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Rees Mogg upset too.
David O'Day
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bonus
Sky Blue Pete
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We hit 58% second ballot and over 80% in favour of strike first day 15/3
Brighton Sky Blue
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Next national strike day also 15/3
JAM See
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Undoubtedly, but unfortunately we seem to have a position in this country where there are two sets of standards. Tories could, and probably do, have ten times the amount of wrongdoing and cronyism than Labour yet somehow the impact on public perception and therefore voting intention would be more harmful to Labour.
Tories can do cronyism and it's almost expected and so shouldn't be held against them. Labour do it and they should be held to higher standards and so it becomes a reason you shouldn't vote for them.
Sky Blue Pete
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This isn’t cronyism this is a misunderstanding of the impartiality of the civil service and a historic distrust in that impartiality by members of the Tory party.
It wasn’t sue gray that damned Boris it was the evidence which was what she was asked to provide
If grown men and women can’t understand that then boy I don’t know
skybluetony176
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He did it at the end of the day, that’s beyond doubt not that it was ever in doubt. Sue Gray didn’t do this in her own. She spoke to dozens and dozens of witnesses, were they all in on it? Was the photographic and video evidence faked? Was the MET who issued the fines based on the evidence in on it? The only thing her appointment proves is exactly what some people in the Tory party are, a bunch of opportunist charlatans who think the electorate are stupid.
Sky Blue Pete
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And I suppose being balanced that the Labour Party aren’t good at playing these games. I’m not saying that shes not good at her job but there’s probably a fair few people who would be just as good and she has some high profile history
anyway being offered the role says nothing about the job she’s previously done other than she must have done them well
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Another reason why a move for Sue Grey might be stupid timing...
Nah, the poll leads are too big, the Tories are done for. Labour will win, it's just a question of by how much.
Obviously the polls will narrow though, they aren't going to be left with 20 seats or whatever the current projections have them at.
skybluetony176
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I think it depends on how he gets it though. If there’s a rebellion in the Tories and it’s big enough that it requires Labour to get it through. There’s also the small matter of whether he has the balls or not to issue the 3 line whip and if he does and there’s still rebels what then? I’m sure no one is going to sweat Dorries and a couple of ERG cultists having the whip removed. But what if Johnson votes against the whip? In theory the standard response is to remove the whip. Will he then have the balls to remove the whip from an ex PM? There’s more than one way that Sunak can look weak despite the success of getting the deal in the first place. I don’t doubt he’s going to get some bounce in the polls from the Windsor agreement but if it ends up driving the wedge further into the Tories divide it might be short lived.
fernandopartridge
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I do think Labour should win but the majority i think will be far smaller than is currently being predicted. The turnout for the election will be tiny.
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Johnson'd just be on holiday, avoid the issue like he did with Heathrow
skybluetony176
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Time will tell but the Tories making a fuss over it I think most sensible people see them as ridiculous people anyway, couple that with them making themselves look even more ridiculous when they start bleating about it. For example
skybluetony176
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I think under the 3 line whip that may still be enough, in theory.
Pretty sure he was out the country on hastily arranged government business for the Heathrow vote. The guy is a coward though so I wouldn’t be surprised if he begrudgingly votes for it but has his cult members vote against it.
Grendel
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He won’t be in the commons for the vote
Or really good timing...
Get all the Boris supporters and right wing nutters to spend a few days working themselves into a frenzy and spouting a load of nonsense about him being stitched up, only for the evidence to immediately make them look stupid (again).
Sick Boy
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I could see it being a hung parliament, personally.
Grendel
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It shouldn’t be in reality. Sunak I suspect has decided the red wall is a one off and a waste of time trying to defend.
He’s going to concentrate on traditional Tory seats and trying to solidify support in those areas even if it means a defeat
It’s inconceivable labour won’t gain a majority - if they don’t the party is not fit for purpose
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Disagree. With the media on the Tories' side and the 'they're all as bad and dishonest as each other' narrative things could change quickly. I am not sure the anti immigrants rhetoric is working so well at the moment but a few Daily Mail headlines about individual cases could whip up xenophobia during the election campaign. By the election the disastrous incompetence of Johnson and Truss might seem quite a long time ago.
skybluetony176
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Announcing Sue Gray’s appointment the day before the privilege committee publicly released its findings my yet prove to be a stroke of genius
The response was as inevitable as it was predictable from certain quarters, from the daily mail to Dorries to Rees Mogg to Boris himself. Has Starmer just given them the perfect opportunity to make even more rope to hang themselves? Starting to look like it already.
Johnson may have misled Parliament over parties, say MPs
Boris Johnson insists he did nothing wrong and will be "vindicated" by an inquiry into his conduct.
www.bbc.co.uk
The response was as inevitable as it was predictable from certain quarters, from the daily mail to Dorries to Rees Mogg to Boris himself. Has Starmer just given them the perfect opportunity to make even more rope to hang themselves? Starting to look like it already.
fernandopartridge
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Announcing Sue Gray’s appointment the day before the privilege committee publicly released its findings my yet prove to be a stroke of genius
Johnson may have misled Parliament over parties, say MPs
Boris Johnson insists he did nothing wrong and will be "vindicated" by an inquiry into his conduct.www.bbc.co.uk
The response was as inevitable as it was predictable from certain quarters, from the daily mail to Dorries to Rees Mogg to Boris himself. Has Starmer just given them the perfect opportunity to make even more rope to hang themselves? Starting to look like it already.
I'm struggling to understand how this benefits Labour. Johnson isn't the PM any more and I guess might not even bother to stand at the next election.
The further away we get from lockdown the more people are likely to reflect on the absurdity of some of the rules in place and just shrug their shoulders at this imo.