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[David O'Day]

Blaming ULEZ is lazy, considering as well that Starmer came out and supported the scheme a few weeks ago, he’s tried to straddle the fence on it.

900 people voted Green, most of those would have probably have voted Labour not so long ago, until they were told their vote wasn’t wanted.

Lazy? The tory who won even admitted ULEZ swung it.

What is lazy is people like you who are so eager to blame starmer they ignore facts

 

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[SBT]

The seat of the disgraced former Prime Minister heavily targeted by Labour and they still don't win it, come on David it isn't a disaster but it's hardly a sign of a thumping majority either.

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Isn’t it? What seat projection does that kind of swing imply?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Lazy? The tory who won even admitted ULEZ swung it.

What is lazy is people like you who are so eager to blame starmer they ignore facts

Great to be against something that saves lives

 

[Ian1779]

Lazy? The tory who won even admitted ULEZ swung it.

What is lazy is people like you who are so eager to blame starmer they ignore facts

Wasn’t ULEZ a Tory policy implemented by Shapps? So on that premise are you saying the Tories won because they put it in place?

 

[David O'Day]

Wasn’t ULEZ a Tory policy implemented by Shapps? So on that premise are you saying the Tories won because they put it in place?





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It's the expansion to the outer boroughs that is the issue

Still I'm glad you know more back how the tory won than the tory himself

“Sadiq Khan has lost Labour this election,” is what he said in his victory speech

 

[David O'Day]

Great to be against something that saves lives

It's the cost and while supporting ULEZ's I get the fear people will have at being made to pay 12.59 a day to drive there card if it is an older model.

There does need to be ore doe to help people

 

[David O'Day]

Wasn’t ULEZ a Tory policy implemented by Shapps? So on that premise are you saying the Tories won because they put it in place?





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But Ian knows better than the tory who won

 

[Ian1779]

It's the expansion to the outer boroughs that is the issue

Still I'm glad you know more back how the tory won than the tory himself

“Sadiq Khan has lost Labour this election,” is what he said in his victory speech

Maybe you’ve just highlighted where Labour might fall short in one sentence.

You are essentially suggesting that Labour’s post-election review should be based on a sentence from a Tory MP victory speech, and not considering in any way why they couldn’t rouse another 500 non-voters to make the journey to the ballot box.

 

[Ian1779]

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But Ian knows better than the tory who won

Sorry David you are right. Also I see you’ve already been offering helpful strategy suggestions on Twitter

 

[PVA]

The seat of the disgraced former Prime Minister heavily targeted by Labour and they still don't win it, come on David it isn't a disaster but it's hardly a sign of a thumping majority either.

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Haha amazing. But totally predictable.

 

[David O'Day]

Maybe you’ve just highlighted where Labour might fall short in one sentence.

You are essentially suggesting that Labour’s post-election review should be based on a sentence from a Tory MP victory speech, and not considering in any way why they couldn’t rouse another 500 non-voters to make the journey to the ballot box.

no, I simply am pointing out it's not "lazy" to blame the issue that even the Tory victor says won him the election

 

[fernandopartridge]

Isn’t it? What seat projection does that kind of swing imply?

Hard to say given the poor turnout

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[David O'Day]

Sorry David you are right. Also I see you’ve already been offering helpful strategy suggestions on Twitter

I support ULEZ's you thick weirdo

 

[Ian1779]

no, I simply am pointing out it's not "lazy" to blame the issue that even the Tory victor says won him the election

And simply ignoring the other point again.

 

[Ian1779]

I support ULEZ's you thick weirdo

I think I picked that one up earlier thanks. But you’re so busy being salty about them not winning you missed the sarcasm.

 

[David O'Day]

And simply ignoring the other point again.

There isn't another point you clown

You said it was lazy and i pointed out that even the tory said that is why he won

 

[David O'Day]

I think I picked that one up earlier thanks.

did you fuck

 

[David O'Day]

Haha amazing. But totally predictable.

Yep, weird as well

 

[Ian1779]

There isn't another point you clown

You said it was lazy and i pointed out that even the tory said that is why he won

There is a point - the point where Labour should have taken the seat by simply offering more people that didn’t vote at all a progressive reason to vote for them.

 

[fernandopartridge]

You seem rattled David

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[fernandopartridge]

It's the cost and while supporting ULEZ's I get the fear people will have at being made to pay 12.59 a day to drive there card if it is an older model.

There does need to be ore doe to help people

It's a proxy for the cost of living for which Labour has nothing at all to offer

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[Mcbean]

The original congestion zone definitely was a good introduction where there is a full
Service of buses , trains and underground - road pollution was rife

however LTNs and the extension of ULEZ would very much hit service businesses and generally people on lower incomes who can’t afford to replace their older diesel cars

and as above it has been rushed through

khan is a crook !

 

[David O'Day]

There is a point - the point where Labour should have taken the seat by simply offering more people that didn’t vote at all a progressive reason to vote for them.

No there isn't point, it's fucking sad that you that petty that you are pretending you know more about why someone won an election than the person won won it themselves does.

You really have jumped the shark

 

[David O'Day]

You seem rattled David

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Rattle by two folk on a Cov forum? Nah, I do find you and Ian depressing sad though

 

[Ian1779]

No there isn't point, it's fucking sad that you that petty that you are pretending you know more about why someone won an election than the person won won it themselves does.

You really have jumped the shark

It’s sad that you are completely oblivious to any other kind of reason as to how Labour could have done better.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The original congestion zone definitely was a good introduction where there is a full
Service of buses , trains and underground - road pollution was rife

however LTNs and the extension of ULEZ would very much hit service businesses and generally people on lower incomes who can’t afford to replace their older diesel cars

and as above it has been rushed through

khan is a crook !

The order that enabled the ULEZ was made by TFL under the Mayor of London at that time Boris Johnson. Tories are ignorant of this and the Labour candidate stupidly sought to blame Khan rather than just state the facts.

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[David O'Day]

It’s sad that you are completely oblivious to any other kind of reason as to how Labour could have done better.

OK Ian, you know better than everyone else.

 

[fernandopartridge]

OK Ian, you know better than everyone else.

Accept the Tory framing in the run up and the aftermath, well done

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[Ian1779]

OK Ian, you know better than everyone else.

At least my mind is open to the possibility.

 

[David O'Day]

Accept the Tory framing in the run up and the aftermath, well done

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Or admit that asking people to pay 12.50 a day is a big ask

This isn't tory framing either, this is the candidate saying he won for reason that had nothing to do with central government

 

[David O'Day]

At least my mind is open to the possibility.

No, no you really don't have an open mind.

 

[Grendel]

You seem rattled David

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Clearly in the party goers home patch “no one cares about parties lads”

 

[Grendel]

Labour actually only gained 3,000 votes in the North Yorkshire election - Tory voters abstained - it will be interesting in a general election where they vote

The labour 3,000 gain virtually matched the Lib Dem decline in the vote

 

[Grendel]

Good old Ed

 

[Ian1779]

Surely the ULEZ is a bit of a red herring anyway. Does a constituency MP have the power to stop it’s implementation?