StrettoBoy
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That's just nonsense.
Of course there are a few far right members in exactly the same way that there are far left members of the Labour Party.
To castigate the whole party as far right is simply untrue.
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That's just nonsense.
Of course there are a few far right members in exactly the same way that there are far left members of the Labour Party.
To castigate the whole party as far right is simply untrue.
About 30 normal ones left who are sidelined kind of similar to the other party?
shmmeee
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Maybe ten years ago. Since 2019 I’m not sure this is true. Voting Tory, let alone joining them, has become real fringe behaviour.
StrettoBoy
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I don't like any party to have a huge majority because there is then no way that the government of the day can properly be held to account, which I think is dangerous.
StrettoBoy
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I really don't believe that.
I say this as a middle of the road voter who under a different leader - possibly someone like Wes Streeting - would seriously be considering voting for Labour, as I have done in the past.
shmmeee
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Are you a Tory member?
Their vote is propped up by over 70s and the membership post Brexit is to pre Brexit Tories what Momentum is to New Labour.
Brighton Sky Blue
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It is held to account at the ballot box if nothing else. Just like this shower of shit will be, and the longer they delay it the bigger the majority will be.
StrettoBoy
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David O'Day
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The thing about Meloni is she needs EU funding so she has to sometimes dial it back in a way Sunak doesn't.
shmmeee
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Well my point was about the Tory Party being far right due to its membership and MPs being far right.
Lots of people voted Labour when they were far left despite not being far left. But they were a far left party.
fernandopartridge
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Wes Streeting, fucking hell
StrettoBoy
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Why do you say that?
He strikes me as a perfectly decent moderate politician.
fernandopartridge
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shmmeee
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I mean if you’re a Tory voter you’ve likely got a strong c**t threshold.
StrettoBoy
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shmmeee
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He’s about as far right as you get while still being Labour.
StrettoBoy
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Why do you think I'm a Tory voter?
Clearly you don't read - or if you do you don't understand - my posts.
I'm a middle of the road voter who over the years has voted Conservative, Labour, Social Democrat and LibDem and who - if Starmer wasn't the leader - would probably vote Labour next time.
How on Earth you think that makes me some sort of dyed in the wool Conservative is beyond me.
#Bizarre
StrettoBoy
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shmmeee
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You’re the only person saying I said dyed in the wool. You have voted Tory, you are a Tory voter. Like Tony.
fernandopartridge
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Nothing he's ever said has ever made me think he's somebody I'd want to lead the party representing working people. Let's see how many of the Tory reforms to the structure of the NHS he reverses rather than accelerates when he inevitably becomes SoS.
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StrettoBoy
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Using your logic I am a Labour voter.
shmmeee
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Yes.
To be clear on the throw away comment, Streeting is as close to a Tory as it gets in Labour go left wing people think he’s a c**t the same as left wing Tories like Gove are cunts. Hence if you can vote for a party with Gove in it, you can vote for a party lead by Streeting. But it really was just a throw away comment and not something to think too deeply on.
Ian1779
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When you like your leaders with an extra bit of grift.
fernandopartridge
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Does anybody become the president of the NUS without being motivated by what it looks like on their CV over any other reason?
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Sick Boy
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Yeah that’s true, I think the Covid recovery fund has kept her in line but also the influence of Forza Italia within the coalition.
Apart from ramping up rhetoric around ‘the traditional family’, in reality the government isn’t that different from previous ones.
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Gove left wing Tory? If he is on the left of the Tories it proves they are far right.
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shmmeee
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Socially Liberal is probably a better term. Personally I think Boris was the most left wing Tory recently, in terms of economics. But I ain’t opening that can of worms.
duffer
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In my book that makes him a moderate
Then your book is probably somewhat slanted to the right.
Look. At. The. Policies. They. Support. If it walks like a duck etc. etc.
Everyone who claims they are a "moderate" makes me suspicious. It's generally code for 'I don't know what I stand for so I'll vote for a personality I like instead'.
Try this, and see how you come out...
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Ian1779
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‘Moderates’ as a memeThen your book is probably somewhat slanted to the right.
Look. At. The. Policies. They. Support. If it walks like a duck etc. etc.
Everyone who claims they are a "moderate" makes me suspicious. It's generally code for 'I don't know what I stand for so I'll vote for a personality I like instead'.
Try this, and see how you come out...
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StrettoBoy
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What utter garbage!
Your assertion is that because I happen to like a moderate Labour politician my political views are "somewhat slanted to the right".
Laughable.
duffer
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He's not a 'moderate' Labour politician. What policies do you stand for mate, or is it just that you like how his suit fits?
What's laughable is someone who can't decide what they stand for claiming that they're politically "moderate".
It's usually bullshit, it just means that they basically don't know what they stand for. Prove me wrong, I've even given you a link to help you out.
StrettoBoy
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I know exactly what I stand for and I have previously posted my views. If you can't be bothered to read and remember what I said then I'm not going to repeat it but it's there in black and white.
It's just a shame that my views aren't replicated by any one party.
shmmeee
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No ones are.
StrettoBoy
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That's true but I am normally torn as to whether to vote Labour or Conservative. I am going to wait until the election manifestos are out before deciding how to cast my vote.
If the election were held today my choice would be between casting aside my feelings about Starmer and voting Labour or voting LibDem. At the moment it's more likely to be the latter but we will see.
shmmeee
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In all seriousness if you’re genuinely a median voter then Labour is the obvious centrist choice this election. Even if you are a soft Tory most I know think the party needs a period out of power to sort itself post Brexit.
I don’t think the Tories will die, like I didn’t think Labour would under Corbyn. FPTP is a hell of a drug. But they either need to bring the one nation Tories back inside the tent, or I can see Reform and the Lib Dem’s eating their vote.