fernandopartridge
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Owen Jones doing Owen Jones things.
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This is just fundamentally false. And it’s the conceit every supposed left wing voter who refuses to vote Labour creates.
I’ve seen actual human beings claiming Labour are fascist and “disaster capitalist” (whatever that’s supposed to mean in this context. It certainly doesn’t match anything Klein wrote about.). It’s overly online derangement syndrome.
This is a party that has yet to release its manifesto and even after “becoming Tory” (appealing to the median British voter in an election year) is promising:
- Nationalised energy
- Investment in safe and legal route and improved processing of asylum applications
- Free breakfast clubs
- End private school tax break
- Massive green energy investment
- Workers rights reforms
- House building
And this is a party following the Biden model of centrist in the streets and leftist in the sheets. And like Biden the left can’t see it.
Is it Jeremy’s Great Socialist Extravaganza? No. Does it look like it will actually happen? Yes. Which means Starmer will do infinitely more for the poor that Corbyn ever came close to.
You have decided that Starmer will definitely do things that he hasn’t even said he’ll do, because he has rowed back on things he said he would do. It’s just confirmation bias all the way down. Occams Razor is he’s a politician trying to get elected in the UK saying all the things people who get elected have to say. Yet no, this is 2024 and mental Twitter conspiracy takes are king and obviously Keir Starmer spent his whole life in progressive politics as a feint so he can really institute a mild Tory agenda. He stayed out of the much more successful Tory party where these ideas are both easy to get through and actually in government more often than not, because reasons.
It’s a take only taken by people who have never met a Labour Party politician other than through a clipped TikTok clip or an out of context screenshot on Twitter. The idea that even if they aren’t pushing for the People’s Republic of Britain are somehow not ideologically opposed to the Tories is just fucking insane. “Oh but shmmeee I met a bloke and he was quite right wing and a Labour councillor/MP/commentator” was he as right wing as the equivalent Tory for that area? Is he representative of the vast majority of the party that lets be honest is almost exclusively very left wing people?
I’m so fucking done with explaining basic electoral facts to fuckwits who claim to be into politics. If you don’t understand that the median voter thinks Labour spend too much and will let all the immigrants in, or you don’t understand how election messaging works (hint it is barely paid any attention to and needs to be big and obvious and repeated multiple times), or you would rather take the fever imaginings of “NeverLabourCorbz4LyfeStalinDidNothingWrong” than fucking look at the evidence of the last “right wing” Labour government and what it did for: child poverty, social mobility, wages, the economy, equality law, public services despite being run by someone significantly to the right of Starmer and in spite of their fuck ups. If you look at that and go “no actually I want the Tories to win” (because that’s what a non-Labour vote is in our system) then I have real trouble taking you seriously and so should everyone else.
Is Starmer overly cautious? Yes. Is that completely fucking understandable after 14 years of opposition? Also yes.
If you withhold your vote and make Labour lose/cut it close, and think that will make Labour move left and not right to gain more votes, please just fucking read one book about electoral politics. Or a Wikipedia article.
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