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Terry Gibson's perm
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Or somebody has looked and said the bank accounts not fully empty yet we need more stealing time
David O'Day
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okay burner
David O'Day
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Starmer was never in charge of the judiciary, the person in charge of the judiciary is the Lord Chancellor and they are a government minister. Starmer was the Director of Public Prosecutions which is not a government role and has no ability bring and bills forward as they don't sit in the HoC or HoL.
He has a pension from this role but he hasn't ring fenced it, in fact he has pledge to do the opposite.
Sir Keir Starmer says he would scrap his own pension tax perk
The Labour leader says he would include himself in plans to reverse high earner tax breaks.
www.bbc.co.uk
shmmeee
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Sir Keir Starmer says he would scrap his own pension tax perk - BBC News
The Labour leader says he would include himself in plans to reverse high earner tax breaks.
www.bbc.co.uk
fernandopartridge
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I assume that the act referred to only extends as far as pensions relating to his role as DPP and not any pension? If it does only relate to being DPP, it's doubtful he'd ever reach that threshold anyway?
fernandopartridge
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A real chicken and egg scenario coming for the next government, how are household budgets going to be at least repaired?
skybluetony176
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Corbyn to stand as an independent, I think he’ll win it too.
Meanwhile 3 more Tories have thrown the towel in and declared that they won’t be standing in the last 24 hours. John Redwood probably the biggest name declared this morning.
Meanwhile 3 more Tories have thrown the towel in and declared that they won’t be standing in the last 24 hours. John Redwood probably the biggest name declared this morning.
duffer
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Hold up a moment on this, because the facts are slightly different.
His dad actually owned the factory; it would far more accurate to class him as a self-employed toolmaker (itself a highly skilled trade).
He wasn't working at the Standard, clocking in and out every day, knocking out washers on lathes or putting wheels on cars, eight hours a day. He wouldn't have had a foreman, or a manager, or been in a union.
So, I don't think the working class dad thing quite holds true here.
It's kind of trivial in some ways, but it does rather grate on me and it isn't really true. I'd suggest Starmer's background is a bit closer to the lower middle class experience, than the working class one.
duffer
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For fuck's sake man, grow up or get yourself on Twitter (X), maybe it's more your style.
shmmeee
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Happens for every DPP.
shmmeee
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Bring back independently wealthy privately educated Corbyn, or richer than the King Sunak, or Eton nepo baby number 4. Proper working class politicians
The fact this is even a talking point is embarrassing. Is there a Tory attack line you haven’t swallowed hook line and sinker?
duffer
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Bring back independently wealthy privately educated Corbyn, or richer than the King Sunak, or Eton nepo baby number 4. Proper working class politicians
The fact this is even a talking point is embarrassing. Is there a Tory attack line you haven’t swallowed hook line and sinker?
It's not a Tory attack line, so don't start that rubbish mate.
It's the truth. Are you so precious about Starmer that you can't bear some simple facts mate?
duffer
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And Starmer made it a talking point, for fuck's sake. He's the one who bangs on about it. Why is that?
This is the best a far left wing website could come up with in their efforts to denigrate it and make him sound middle class:
"Starmer’s father, in reality, operated the Oxted Tool Co. His own independent toolmaking enterprise until the 1990s. By all accounts, he was a proficient self-employed tradesman, devoid of superiors or overseers, operating from a rented workshop on an industrial estate rather than a conventional factory setting."
Oh no, a self-employed tradesman! Working in a rented workshop, not a conventional factory!
It's a frankly awful attack line, weak as piss really.
duffer
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Ah, the ironic laughing emoji, the clearest identifier hereabouts of someone who just lost an argument but can't think of what to say.
At least I've got the grace to admit that I might be wrong on stuff. Some people here are like crying babbies when they get picked up on things.
If all you've got are the usual, childish, cheap insults that you'd never say to someone's face, either grow up or just fuck right off and don't bother replying. I'm sorry but it's boring and adds nothing.
At least I've got the grace to admit that I might be wrong on stuff. Some people here are like crying babbies when they get picked up on things.
If all you've got are the usual, childish, cheap insults that you'd never say to someone's face, either grow up or just fuck right off and don't bother replying. I'm sorry but it's boring and adds nothing.
shmmeee
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Yes it is. They’ve been desperate to push him as posh, constantly playing on his knighthood since day one.
On any measure he’d be one of the most working class PMs or even leaders in a generation. Brown, him and Thatcher then a huge gap to the likes of Sunak, Cameron, Blair, etc.
“Oh but ackshually his dad owned a business” right, like lots of normal people then?
shmmeee
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Good thread that highlights the problem with a lot of complaints about Labours electoral strategy. Corbyn won inefficient votes in safe seats. Starmer is winning votes where they are needed to win a majority.
This is why when you campaign in a GE you target certain voters. Young liberal cosmopolitan voters are Labours stock and doubling down on them like Corbyn means you pile up votes in seats you’ve already won.
This is why applying principles or whatever ideological tests to a GE campaign is silly and self defeating. To win an election you need specific voters to vote for you. The Corbynite meme of “look how many total votes Corbyn got” actually highlights exactly how bad at electoral politics he was.
eyesee
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...and then an even longer 5 years.It's going to be a long 6 weeks
ovduk78
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Well luckily for the majority of us the last 14 years have been so rewarding
Liquid Gold
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To be honest I couldn't give a shit if someone was burn in the gutter or out of the queen's fanny if they have decent politics.
It's not where you come from it's what you become.
It's not where you come from it's what you become.
Self-employed tradesman is generally working class. I'm guessing at some point he probably was employed and probably did have to clock in and out. Who knows.
But I think it's fair to say Keir Starmer was born into a working class family.
skybluetony176
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Whether Starmers dad was self employed or not is irrelevant. The fact is he’s not an elite like Rees Mogg or Boris who had every opportunity from birth by the accident of which fanny they fell out of at birth. Starmer is still self made by being naturally intelligent and having the talent to capitalise on that despite coming from humble beginnings. There’s plenty you can judge Starmer on negatively without inventing a scenario where he’s somehow comparable to the born into it elites.
skybluetony176
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I lived on council estates my entire childhood and plenty of people who lived on those estates were self employed tradesmen. I can think of at least two who operated from rented premises. To say that they or their children weren’t working class is pretty ridiculous. Especially if you look at the bigger picture.
Philosoraptor
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shmmeee
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He’s up against a man literally richer than the king and it’s *his* working class credentials that are up for debate.
Totally sensible questions not at all influenced by Tory nonsense though
David O'Day
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it's not ridiculous, it's absolute bollocks.
David O'Day
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The fact the tories want a debate a week is a good sign they thing they are going to lose badly. if you are winning you try and keep the number of debates as low as possible.