Nick
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Using your example of average being 30k, 2 x parents and the price I posted it's doable. There's also a high chance of a bursary on that wage too for further saving.
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Using your example of average being 30k, 2 x parents and the price I posted it's doable. There's also a high chance of a bursary on that wage too for further saving.
skybluetony176
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Average mortgage payment in the UK is about £680 a month (£8160 a year), average rent is about £980 a month (£11760 a year).
torchomatic
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So, I presume your £60K example is net pay? If so, then the gross would be getting on for £90K pa. Hardly average.
Maybe it could be done, but you're making a lot of assumptions on average family outgoings.
Well a mortgage would be a start,no,my grandson passed, went to that one maddison went not a choice for my daughter and partner probably cos they have another one to cater for
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Nick
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Using the 60k example, guessing it's take home of about £3.8k a month.
Mortgage is £680, School about £1325. Leaves about £1.8k for other bills / living.
With a bursary then the school cost would go down. A lower than average mortgage then again it goes down.
Like I said, not everybody who chooses it is "rich" or "from money". There are a lot of normal people who just graft and go without themselves.
Parents could live a packet of donuts a day each, some sacrifice that!
MalcSB
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16 year olds can’t be sent to a “front line”, so aren’t old enough to die for their country.
13 year olds can work, and if they earn enough pay tax on it, Should they be able to vote?
Your rationale is rubbish,
Philosoraptor
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Cant forget Labour crashing the economy and trying to blame everyone else for their failure, by not putting in controls on the economy.
And then the huge gaping whole in the UK finances that was formed by the complete failure to actually do anything about it.
The violent deaths of over 150,000 civilians in and around Iraq.
How can you possibly support this sack of shit, Shmmeee?
One could argue your faith in Labour is extreme as any religious fundamentalist.
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duffer
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Just on the higher taxation thing, this is the usual Laffer curve argument, oft-used to justify gross inequality of income and wealth and argue against redistributive taxation.
Like most gross over-simplifications, it's basically false to claim that higher taxes will inevitably either lead to lower tax revenue or any significant flight of capital.
It's far, far more nuanced than that, but it doesn't stop the right wing myth peddling of course.
Laffer curve - Wikipedia
torchomatic
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They didn't crash the economy.
Philosoraptor
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Oh, they did.
You've got to keep reminding them about what a bunch of assholes they really are.
torchomatic
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No, they didn't.
Sick Boy
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There was a global recession. There was a narrative pushed at the time that it was caused by Labour, which was ridiculous.
Philosoraptor
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Oh, yes, they did.
duffer
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You sign at 16, you're in until you're 22, and "frontline" at first or not, you're committing to risk your life for your country at a point in the near future. Seems like we're happy to trust them to do that.
As for the 13 year old thing, no one is asking for them to get the vote, the amount of them earning enough to pay tax is miniscule, and of course under-16s are still in full time education.
What's your rationale for not giving them the vote? Are you scared they might vote the wrong way, or is it that some of them might have spots? Talk about rubbish...
Philosoraptor
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torchomatic
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US lenders caused the 2008 global crash.
Philosoraptor
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Due to perceived regulatory failure of the banks during the financial crisis of 2007–2008, the UK government decided to restructure financial regulation and abolish the FSA.
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And there we have it in one sentence.
Philosoraptor
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There is a pattern throughout Labour's reign of terror.
Things fuck up --> no back up plan.
Or
Things fuck up --> lets abuse people's Rights more.
Both is applicable.
Things fuck up --> no back up plan.
Or
Things fuck up --> lets abuse people's Rights more.
Both is applicable.
CCfC2023
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The fees maybe £15.900 a year but that doesn't include uniform both summer and winter and sports kits and you are expected to take part in after school clubs and school trips and days out all come at a very high cost and payments for school dinner .
Philosoraptor
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And if you click on the Financial Crisis link there in your post it takes you to a page with many thousands of words on the causes of the financial crash and there is not one mention of Labour!
duffer
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Mucca Mad Boys
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how many
Just on the higher taxation thing, this is the usual Laffer curve argument, oft-used to justify gross inequality of income and wealth and argue against redistributive taxation.
Like most gross over-simplifications, it's basically false to claim that higher taxes will inevitably either lead to lower tax revenue or any significant flight of capital.
It's far, far more nuanced than that, but it doesn't stop the right wing myth peddling of course.
Laffer curve - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I never mentioned the Laffer curve. Interestingly, when Osborne reduced corporation tax as chancellor, tax revenues went up, not down.
The data on high taxation is well established and our tax burden is the highest it’s been since WW2 and rising still. Meanwhile wages are stagnant and growth stagnating. This isn’t good for those on the left that would like to spend more on public services.
Philosoraptor
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Bit early for Panto season, but what the hell...
Got to admit, my favourite post atm.
Ian1779
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A lot of those lefties probably feel let down by the fact they put their faith in Starmer around the Labour leadership and since being elected he’s basically told them to fuck off.
skybluetony176
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Then the current PM made sure it effected the UK by lobbying for the RBS to takeover a distressed bank which bought down RBS. Still, he earned a few million out of it so every cloud…
The hard truth is Sunak did more to crash the UK economy than Labour did in 2008.
The criticism that should be levelled at Labour is what they did next but people are too distracted by the shiny shiny myth that Labour crashed the economy.
It’sabatch87
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Maybe yes, Corbyn is to left wing for middle England and the so called red wall, blue Labour
Philosoraptor
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If I can just come in here and just clear a few things up.
The cause of the global crash is not the concern here. Well, unless you had money in there, or had to bail out those who did.
Some would say more importantly, It's all about who had control of the UK economy and who did fuck all about it!
To give an analogy, it is like closing the barn door after the horse has bolted.
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Think we’ve done 16 year old voting to death but the main point is you cant even enrole in the army foundation college without parental consent if you’re under 18. you can’t fight until you’re over 18.
Let’s be honest if 18 year olds were poling 50%+ in favour of Reform everyone would (understandably) be steering well clear of this. As with all things be careful what you wish for as the young uns have been supporting some of the potentially unsavoury populist parties in Europe
How far-right parties seduced young voters across Europe | The far right | The Guardian
Young people abandoned mainstream parties in last weekend’s European elections – a sign that their anxieties are not being heard, says author Albena Azmanova
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And that's if you only have one child!