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MalcSB

MalcSB

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skybluetony176 said:
The Rwanda scheme never made a blind bit of difference. Cost us £280M for nothing. The numbers arriving by boats actually went up. If £28M a year has any effect at all it will be money far wiser spent than the Rwanda scheme.
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If only a few people had actually been sent there,
 
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MalcSB said:
Not helped when on the odd occasions when it’s tried, other passengers prevent the flight taking off.
Plus human rights lawyers.
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Those bastard lawyers looking out for human rights.

The problem with those flights is sometimes they've bunged on people who shouldn't have been deported as well! I mean that's such a simple thing to get right, it's blundering on the scale of missing an assassin crawling around.
 
Sky Blue Pete

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Sky Blue Pete said:

6000 a year so a fair chance there are more Britain’s in prison abroad than foreigners in our prisons

mmmmmm interesting
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Beg your pardon it’s 1700 in prison on this more accurate one so 10%

 
clint van damme

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MalcSB

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shmmeee said:
There was no protest. It was just planned. They were jailed for conspiracy.
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There were “protests”. They were jailed for conspiracy to organise the protests.

From The Independent

“Five Just Stop Oil protesters have been jailed for conspiring to organise protests that blocked the M25 motorway.

Roger Hallam, 58, Daniel Shaw, 38, Louise Lancaster, 58, Lucia Whittaker De Abreu, 35, and Cressida Gethin, 22, agreed to cause disruption to traffic by having protesters climb onto gantries over the motorway for four successive days in November 2022.

Prosecutors alleged the protests, which saw 45 people climb up the gantries, led to an economic cost of at least £765,000, while the cost to the Metropolitan Police was more than £1.1 million.

They allegedly caused more than 50,000 hours of vehicle delay, affecting more than 700,000 vehicles, and left the M25 “compromised” for more than 120 hours.

A police officer suffered concussion and bruising after being knocked off his motorbike in traffic caused by one of the protests on 9 November 2022, prosecutor Jocelyn Ledward KC said at the sentencing hearing at Southwark Crown Court on ”
 
shmmeee

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MalcSB said:
There were “protests”. They were jailed for conspiracy to organise the protests.

From The Independent

“Five Just Stop Oil protesters have been jailed for conspiring to organise protests that blocked the M25 motorway.

Roger Hallam, 58, Daniel Shaw, 38, Louise Lancaster, 58, Lucia Whittaker De Abreu, 35, and Cressida Gethin, 22, agreed to cause disruption to traffic by having protesters climb onto gantries over the motorway for four successive days in November 2022.

Prosecutors alleged the protests, which saw 45 people climb up the gantries, led to an economic cost of at least £765,000, while the cost to the Metropolitan Police was more than £1.1 million.

They allegedly caused more than 50,000 hours of vehicle delay, affecting more than 700,000 vehicles, and left the M25 “compromised” for more than 120 hours.

A police officer suffered concussion and bruising after being knocked off his motorbike in traffic caused by one of the protests on 9 November 2022, prosecutor Jocelyn Ledward KC said at the sentencing hearing at Southwark Crown Court on ”
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Ah, the article I read said it was for conspiracy and they were arrested for talking about it on a Zoom call. I stand corrected.
 
skybluetony176

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MalcSB said:
If only a few people had actually been sent there,
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This is exactly why it was always going to fail. It was a simplistic answer to a complex question. Just so little understanding of the odds for example of people trying to get here. It literally didn’t matter how many people we sent to Rwanda their odds of dying on route to the UK at pretty much every stage were far greater than their odds of getting sent to Rwanda. They accepted those odds why would smaller odds deter them? Forget the dangerous crossings of the Med and the English Channel in small boats, they actually had a higher chance of dying crossing Europe by any means with the exception of the train than getting sent to Rwanda once they got here.

The money spent on Rwanda would have been far better spent dealing with the route causes at ground zero.
 
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MalcSB

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fernandopartridge said:
A motorway being closed will reduce accidents actually
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lets close all motorways them, sheer brilliance,

It might increase accidents on non motorway roads, cause huge inconvenience to people trying to go about their lawful business, increase congestion and hence pollution leading to countless urban deaths from respiratory conditions.
 
MalcSB

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skybluetony176 said:
This is exactly why it was always going to fail. It was a simplistic answer to a complex question. Just so little understanding of the odds for example of people trying to get here. It literally didn’t matter how many people we sent to Rwanda their odds of dying on route to the UK at pretty much every stage were far greater than their odds of getting sent to Rwanda. They accepted those odds why would smaller odds deter them? Forget the dangerous crossings of the Med and the English Channel in small boats, they actually had a higher chance of dying crossing Europe by any means with the exception of the train than getting sent to Rwanda once they got here.

The money spent on Rwanda would have been far better spent dealing with the route causes at ground zero.
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We will never know whether the possibility of being sent to Rwanda on top of, and having survived, all the dangers you identify would have been the straw that broke the camels back and deterred people from their hazardous journey to the last safe place of many they would encounter and pass through en route.
 
MalcSB

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clint van damme said:
Oh dear
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Well, if you will make stupid statements, what do you expect.
I doubt that people who have fled Hong Kong will give the JSO convicts a second thought.
Dale Vince equating the sentences to North Korea or Russia - they haven’t been machine gunned or poisoned.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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MalcSB said:
Well, if you will make stupid statements, what do you expect.
I doubt that people who have fled Hong Kong will give the JSO convicts a second thought.
Dale Vince equating the sentences to North Korea or Russia - they haven’t been machine gunned or poisoned.
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He's right. we're on a slippery slope.
 
Grendel

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fernandopartridge

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Hey Malc, i've got a new avatar for you mate
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skybluetony176

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MalcSB said:
We will never know whether the possibility of being sent to Rwanda on top of, and having survived, all the dangers you identify would have been the straw that broke the camels back and deterred people from their hazardous journey to the last safe place of many they would encounter and pass through en route.
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We do. Numbers went up while the threat was being administered. At best it had no effect at worst it had negative effect. You can ignore the facts all you like but it didn’t work.

They used to like to point to Australia as justification. Look at the reality in Australia, it didn’t work as a deterrent. They thought they’d do it for a year and it would stop them. 10 years later they’re still doing it and now the conversation has changed in Australia about how it’s an expensive failed folly and the money would have been better spent at ground zero addressing the causes.
 
chiefdave

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MalcSB said:
lets close all motorways them, sheer brilliance,

It might increase accidents on non motorway roads, cause huge inconvenience to people trying to go about their lawful business, increase congestion and hence pollution leading to countless urban deaths from respiratory conditions.
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We should put anyone whose car breaks down in jail
 
chiefdave

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Grendel said:
Mmmm

www.independent.co.uk

Ambulance heading to emergency blocked as Just Stop Oil clash with police

Met Police said the ambulance, which had flashing blue lights on, wasn’t able to get over the London bridge due to the climate change protest
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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If you check the FOI related to that the ambulance service said it was not on an emergency call and it was a non issue. That’s entirely consistent with JSOs stated policy of moving for emergency services on blue lights
 
MalcSB

MalcSB

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chiefdave said:
If you check the FOI related to that the ambulance service said it was not on an emergency call and it was a non issue. That’s entirely consistent with JSOs stated policy of moving for emergency services on blue lights
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That’s not the only occasion. And, of course, people travelling for life saving chemotherapy etc. don’t tend to have blue lights.
 
Grendel

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chiefdave said:
If you check the FOI related to that the ambulance service said it was not on an emergency call and it was a non issue. That’s entirely consistent with JSOs stated policy of moving for emergency services on blue lights
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It had its blue lights on?
 
skybluetony176

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Anecdotal but a mate of mine was viciously attacked in the street in 2019 in an unprovoked attack. Fractured cheek bone, broken nose bad concussion amongst various other injuries and 2 weeks in hospital. Aside from the fact that it only got to court early this year the guy who was very well known to the police, has a history of violence including previous custodial sentences got a fine and community service, most likely because the prisons are full according to his solicitor. It was a serious attack that could have been much worse only 3 bystanders intervened, the guy was jumping on his head while he was already unconscious lying on the ground.

4 and 5 years for protesting seems out of kilter to me when you consider who isn’t being locked up and what they did. Punish them for sure but at least make that punishment fit especially when considering it to other far far more serious crimes.
 
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