Do you want to discuss boring politics? (19 Viewers)
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tisza
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Those stats don't apply solely to civil service. Many of those countries utilities & railways (for example) are still govt-owned and so included in these particular OECD stats. UK civil service is currently aound the 510 k mark. Not sure where I said bloated but the context was why it was still contracting out so much work when employee numbers had risen so much.
Nick
Administrator
It depends on the managers, where I worked last he hated WFH even though people were much more productive with certain things. It's a control thing, even if the work is all done faster and things get done. He didn't want it because he couldn't see what was going on.
It’s a bit different, the Nvidia staff benefitted from share schemes that made many millionaires. Their hard work and productivity ultimately helped increase the value of the company and therefore they were highly incentivised as they benefitted personally
Productivity in the public sector is down 7% from pre pandemic levels. I’m guessing this will be for a variety of reasons like ill health, strikes etc as well as possibly WFH. ultimately in large organisations (private and public) where it’s hard to monitor specific tasks etc certain people can and will hide more when WFH. It’s the reason why many large private organisations have pushed for return to the office. This just wouldn’t happen if productivity was as high/higher than pre pandemic
FWIW I think flexible working is a good thing overall. However, I do think 100% WFH in certain roles and/or for certain people isn’t.
fernandopartridge
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How's this one going Dave?
fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
Tough choices 
fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
This is just nauseating
Presumably the set up and operating costs of that office will be zero and its role in relation to the OBR crystal clear.
Presumably the set up and operating costs of that office will be zero and its role in relation to the OBR crystal clear.
Yeah, I think the initial increase was brexit driven, then they were supposed to reduce numbers in 2019/20 but the pandemic came along. Think we’re still carrying those higher numbers
So we’re carrying 140k more civil servants (civil service not public sector workers) than previously, public sector productivity is way below pre pandemic levels and consultants fees running into billions, somethings not quite right.
This isn’t an anti public sector post, I’d personally rather a lot of any cash savings filtered through to the lowest paid in the public sector and used to incentivise higher productivity and better performance
Grendel
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So we have 22% pay rises for Junior Doctors over 2 years and further un-budgeted 5% pay rises for other Public employees when inflation is 2%. I am sure private sector unions will be looking at this with interest.
"It is the responsible thing to do to fix the foundations of our economy and bring back economic stability."
OK Rachel
"It is the responsible thing to do to fix the foundations of our economy and bring back economic stability."
OK Rachel
MalcSB
Well-Known Member
Bastards.Tough choices
Although, on reflection, no pensioners should need the winter fuel payment because Labour are going to reduce every bodies fuel bills by £300 a year.
Oh, hang on a minute, they can’t guarantee that promise because the cost of fossil fuels is so volatile.
Hang on another minute, why should that make any difference when electricity will be carbon free?
Hang on yet another minute apparently there will be a reliance on fossil fuels for many years. So why cancel new exploration licences - or have they been cancelled.
Many on here have expected competence from this government. What we are getting is confusion and lies.
Grendel
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Ian1779
Well-Known Member
Being briefed currently.
Grendel
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torchomatic
Well-Known Member
Winter Fuel Payments to be means tested. About time.
Enjoying the sunshine, you?
I don't agree with everything they have done, or will do, but if we're looking at competency then clearly there is lightyears between them and the previous government(s).
fernandopartridge
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PVA waiting to see what some centrist berk on Twitter thinks
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
Not sure why being a centrist is such a bad thing. No party will EVER get in Government without them.
Berk is a much underused derogatory description these days
It's amusing seeing the left and right nosh each other off.
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
If you say so.
fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
Imagine Nye Bevan was a centrist
1. “Illness is neither an indulgence for which people have to pay, nor an offence for which they should be penalised, but a misfortune the cost of which should be shared by the community.”
1. “Illness is neither an indulgence for which, subject to their means, people have to pay, nor an offence for which they should be penalised, but a misfortune the cost of which capped at the value of x per x should be shared by the community to the extent allowable by my cast iron fiscal rules.”
1. “Illness is neither an indulgence for which people have to pay, nor an offence for which they should be penalised, but a misfortune the cost of which should be shared by the community.”
1. “Illness is neither an indulgence for which, subject to their means, people have to pay, nor an offence for which they should be penalised, but a misfortune the cost of which capped at the value of x per x should be shared by the community to the extent allowable by my cast iron fiscal rules.”
fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
Embarrassing
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
Labour to set up anti-Covid contract corruption probe. Hopefully, they'll be nowhere to hide for Michelle Mone and other friends of Tory Ministers.
Nick
Administrator
Carried out for millions by friends of labour ministers?
fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
Fantastic - that'll help put the heating on for people won't it?
Grendel
Well-Known Member
in what ways are he and Starmer different? Reeves is a classic moderate Tory chancellor in the same way as Lamont - it’s funny you think you are a Labour man. Bevin would laugh in your face.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Whips up the mob and will fool a few
You are so cringe it is unbelievable, so desperate to be liked by your new pals on the left
Grendel
Well-Known Member
You are so cringe it is unbelievable, so desperate to be liked by your new pals on the left
I have zero pals on the left. Admiration for at least sticking to principles but I’ve always said this essentially is a Tory government from the Major years and even some elements of Thatcherism but with a far weaker leader.
Enjoy.
I certainly have more respect for people who believe in Labour princip of McDonnell and Foot rather than pretend they are hip and cool by wearing a red rosette but are manipulated by twitter vibes into thinking they are remotely left wing.
I’m not sure you can say that taking money away from pensioners to help cover above inflation pay rises for the public sector is your standard Tory policy
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon
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Your line of argument might work if previous public sector pay awards had been linked to the rate of inflation. They weren't. Something above inflation now will go some small way to repairing the gradual erosion over time of those employee's remuneration but there's a fuckong big delta all the same.
