Do you want to discuss boring politics? (40 Viewers)

[wingy]

Stamp it out then, I'm not taking the rap for that, only as good as advice at the time, I'm out giving up full stop!!

 

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[MalcSB]

Funnily enough one of the first things that came up when I googled to see if this was complete bollocks was how long some carcinogens last on surfaces. It was part of a study where they’d looked how badly children’s heath was being impacted when parents only smoked outside and their exposure was 5 times that of non smoking households

Do wonder if this would be an issue if there weren’t so many vaping idiots who deliberately make as much smoke as possible

When I vaped I didn’t disappear in a cloud. IIRC the police said they could prosecute drivers who vaped if the “cloud” was obstructing their view of the road, quite right too.

Reading a study like the one you mention, the conclusion was that significant associations with health were only found in children whose parents smoked indoors.

 

[wingy]

It is another economic lever being shut down tbf, they'll be able to adjust taxation to absorb I'm sure!

 

[wingy]

Another question,do they act as a kind antiseptic to a mature gent who may suffer one of the curses?

 

[Ashdown]

There must be hundreds of landlords who spent a small fortune on really quite elaborate and expensive smoking shelters now drumming their fingers. They needn’t worry, it will be the pubs themselves soon, those Western society dens of iniquity……

 

[MalcSB]

There must be hundreds of landlords who spent a small fortune on really quite elaborate and expensive smoking shelters now drumming their fingers. They needn’t worry, it will be the pubs themselves soon, those Western society dens of iniquity……

If smoking in beer gardens is banned I think that will be the end for many pubs.

 

[wingy]

If smoking in beer gardens is banned I think that will be the end for many pubs.

Diversity will be the message!

 

[MalcSB]

It is another economic lever being shut down tbf, they'll be able to adjust taxation to absorb I'm sure!

In 2023/24, £8.8 billion was raised in tobacco revenue. That would be a huge addition to the fiscal black hole.

 

[MalcSB]

Diversity will be the message!

I’m not that mad on dance troupes in beer gardens.

 

[Ashdown]

If smoking in beer gardens is banned I think that will be the end for many pubs.

I gave up 20 years ago by the way but appreciate that many regular smokers are stalwarts of many working class pubs whilst they can still nip to the shelters.

 

[wingy]

Hearing a debate around shoplifting on the radio ATM,coincides with automation doesn't it?

 

[wingy]

Trish reckons the local hairdressers is the place to go for your knock off, that and FB,get down the live and let live and smoke while you're at it?

 

[chiefdave]

Not sure this is the type of person I’d want anywhere near government

Ex-Network Rail chair threatened firm over engineer’s Euston criticism

Letter shows Peter Hendy, now the rail minister, threatened to withhold public contracts until firm disciplined worker

www.theguardian.com

 

[Nick]

Banning smoking outside but doing anything about knife crime?

Its very weird.

 

[fatso]

Banning smoking outside but doing anything about knife crime?

Its very weird.

Actually knife crime is already illegal outside and in pub gardens.

 

[MalcSB]

Just looked uo the cost to the NHS of smoking related illnesses, £2.6 billion a year. Tax revenues on tobacco £8.8 billion a year. Presumably savings on pensions arising from smokers premature deaths.

The costs to the NHS would continue for many years beyond an end to smoking.

 

[shmmeee]

Just looked uo the cost to the NHS of smoking related illnesses, £2.6 billion a year. Tax revenues on tobacco £8.8 billion a year. Presumably savings on pensions arising from smokers premature deaths.

The costs to the NHS would continue for many years beyond an end to smoking.

Im seeing a gap for a new party. Encourage smoking, drinking, sky diving, motorcycle riding, solve the NHS funding crisis and have a great time doing it.

 

[wingy]

Just looked uo the cost to the NHS of smoking related illnesses, £2.6 billion a year. Tax revenues on tobacco £8.8 billion a year. Presumably savings on pensions arising from smokers premature deaths.

The costs to the NHS would continue for many years beyond an end to smoking.

They'll just be spread out over the rest of society or part's of it, same goes for anything harmful tbf,my one fear with Starmer was and is national service being older myself not an issue but the youth I'm afraid for tbh, let's hope it's unfounded!

 

[wingy]

Im seeing a gap for a new party. Encourage smoking, drinking, sky diving, motorcycle riding, solve the NHS funding crisis and have a great time doing it.

They don't account for any of those activities yet, do they?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Im seeing a gap for a new party. Encourage smoking, drinking, sky diving, motorcycle riding, solve the NHS funding crisis and have a great time doing it.

Use the rest of the budget from smoking to bring down the price of a pint to 1999 levels

 

[MalcSB]

Im seeing a gap for a new party. Encourage smoking, drinking, sky diving, motorcycle riding, solve the NHS funding crisis and have a great time doing it.

You could add promiscuity to that.

The Hedonism party. Strap line - People have never had it so good! Sure I’ve heard that somewhere before,

 

[wingy]

You could add promiscuity to that.

The Hedonism party. Strap line - People have never had it so good! Sure I’ve heard that somewhere before,

Use of strap line for a hedonists party, really!

 

[MalcSB]

Use of strap line for a hedonists party, really!

Oops!

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I don’t think the majority of people buy a house primarily to make a return, they do so to have somewhere to live.

Probably, but trouble is most of those wanting to buy a house to live in can't afford it because they're being bought by people seeing them as an investment and renting them out.

 

[MalcSB]

Probably, but trouble is most of those wanting to buy a house to live in can't afford it because they're being bought by people seeing them as an investment and renting them out.

Come off it, that’s not the reason house prices are so high. Population increase leading to increased demand is the underlying reason. Many buy to let investors have been selling their properties because the way the income is taxed means a significant number aren’t making a profit from the rent. The threat of increased capital gains tax will probably accelerate that trend.

According to your theory, everyone who wants to buy will then be able to. It will just be those who want to rent who will be in the shit.

 

[wingy]

Come off it, that’s not the reason house prices are so high. Population increase leading to increased demand is the underlying reason. Many buy to let investors have been selling their properties because the way the income is taxed means a significant number aren’t making a profit from the rent. The threat of increased capital gains tax will probably accelerate that trend.

According to your theory, everyone who wants to buy will then be able to. It will just be those who want to rent who will be in the shit.

But bought by bigger entities than a a smallholder?

 

[wingy]

But bought by bigger entities than a a smallholder?

I think that former Greek finance minister has a theory anyway and it seems accurate to me!

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Well quite! If our median salary was £60K, we could all afford to pay more taxes - and those who are paid £60K pay FAR more in tax (due to the fixed basic rate tax threshold). So that adds to your previous threads where you have said everyone in this country needs to be paid A LOT more! Not just junior doctors, not just train drivers, but teachers, scientists (public, private and third sector), nursery and adult care workers.

But .. WHERE does that money come from? It's a nice (if somewhat utopian) idea, but most companies would go under, and the public purse can't afford to pay that to public sector workers. Is Denmark a very cheap company to run, i wonder? What is their health provision, for example?

Well we could start by not offering executives massively over-inflation rises and using some of that.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I think it’s bollocks. But I thought the smoking ban was bollocks too.

Just fucking ban it if that’s what you want and stop trying to do it through the back door.

Someone blowing smoke up your arse?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Come off it, that’s not the reason house prices are so high. Population increase leading to increased demand is the underlying reason. Many buy to let investors have been selling their properties because the way the income is taxed means a significant number aren’t making a profit from the rent. The threat of increased capital gains tax will probably accelerate that trend.

According to your theory, everyone who wants to buy will then be able to. It will just be those who want to rent who will be in the shit.

Of course higher population and not building an equivalent number of homes, as well as things like more single person households etc have a big effect.

But the fact is far more people are now renting rather than owner occupied. If most people want to buy a house to live in then why as some many more houses becoming private rented and HMO's? Because people are not buying them to live in, they are buying them as investments. And because it's a business they can afford to offer more for houses than someone looking to just live in them as they'll have a return from it. And so pushes the price up even more.

 

[fatso]

Im seeing a gap for a new party. Encourage smoking, drinking, sky diving, motorcycle riding, solve the NHS funding crisis and have a great time doing it.

They could legalise drugs and euthanasia, and promiscuity and bring back the death penalty while they're at it.


Sounds like a plan.

 

[wingy]

They could legalise drugs and euthanasia, and promiscuity and bring back the death penalty while they're at it.


Sounds like a plan.

Just take it easy there pardner, don't give him ideas re euthanasia please!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Funnily enough one of the first things that came up when I googled to see if this was complete bollocks was how long some carcinogens last on surfaces. It was part of a study where they’d looked how badly children’s heath was being impacted when parents only smoked outside and their exposure was 5 times that of non smoking households

Do wonder if this would be an issue if there weren’t so many vaping idiots who deliberately make as much smoke as possible

Don’t use all evidence and science crap on us it’s starmer being a dictator

 

[wingy]

Don’t use all evidence and science crap on us it’s starmer being a dictator

Yeah but transport mate?

 

[MalcSB]

Of course higher population and not building an equivalent number of homes, as well as things like more single person households etc have a big effect.

But the fact is far more people are now renting rather than owner occupied. If most people want to buy a house to live in then why as some many more houses becoming private rented and HMO's? Because people are not buying them to live in, they are buying them as investments. And because it's a business they can afford to offer more for houses than someone looking to just live in them as they'll have a return from it. And so pushes the price up even more.

You are just plain wrong. This shows the number who are now renting. Also, as I understand it, rents have been increasing. Part of that will be because of increased buy to let mortgage costs, part to the change in how rents are taxed but the major part will be insufficient properties available. That is because of increasing population. The indigenous population is pretty static.

How Many UK Households Rent vs. Own?​

According to NimbleFins analysis of data from the 2023 English Housing Survey, just over one third of households rent their home (35%); another third owns their home outright (35%); and just under a third owns their home with a mortgage (29%) in the UK.

How many people rent vs. own their home in the UK?	Number	Percentage
Number of Mortgage Holders	7,196,140	29%
Number of Renters	8,601,025	35%
Number Owning House Outright	8,610,768	35%
Total Households	24,407,932	100%