Do you want to discuss boring politics? (21 Viewers)

[Marty]

Not sure where to put this. Bunch of twats anyway, doing it again.

Just Stop Oil: Protesters throw soup on Van Gogh paintings

Just Stop Oil supporters have thrown soup over two Van Gogh paintings in central London.

www.bbc.co.uk

Those paintings are shit TBF but aren't they protected by glass, quick wipe with a cloth and windex and you wouldn't even know anything happened.

 

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[Ian1779]

We can't spend years having a pop at the Tories for doing this kind of thing, but then make excuses when Labour do it.

This is my biggest problem with politics, and why I feel so alienated by nearly everyone in it. There's very little integrity, the people involved don't live normal lives and therefore cannot relate to the general public, and when you have hardcore fans of certain parties that get up in arms selectively (depending on whether it is their chosen party/candidate or not) the whole environment just becomes full of hypocrisy.

There's surely room for a common sense party that actually want to do the right thing with the country and do their best with a bit of integrity. The Conservative rule was a joke, and now it seems these clowns at Labour have started strongly in their campaign to try and beat it.

There can never be a common sense party because all those that have tried to navigate this area lack the basic compassion for their fellow human.

 

[MalcSB]

Those paintings are shit TBF but aren't they protected by glass, quick wipe with a cloth and windex and you wouldn't even know anything happened.

Not to my taste but valued at millions. The first pair that did this to just one painting got 24 and 20 month sentences so hopefully this lot will get 4 years or so.

 

[wingy]

Who tries to befriend MPs to give them money? Seems a bit weird, doesn't it?

I had to do Anti Corruption training when I started a job, that shit wouldn't pass.

"Oh so you work here? Can I be your mate? Do you want some money?"

I guess it's really about what sort of character this lord is really and what system he's played to recieve his status,and then we can judge just what his motive is which probably isn't what we did with the Tories but Boris was certainly linked,tied up with the Russians?

 

[wingy]

Not to my taste but valued at millions. The first pair that did this to just one painting got 24 and 20 month sentences so hopefully this lot will get 4 years or so.

There won't be space for them but that's about equiviance not justice really Malc because like it or climate change is destroying the planet and removing the carbon source and methane source is of importance really, there really isn't a choice some other form of energy is required,/necessary and it's not batteries, just get on with it and stop prevaricating, not you individually but Gov't's!

 

[wingy]

So when the interest rate is cut next month to coincide with the financial statement will the private sector that will purchase the bonds provide a fixed rate or will float I think I know the answer but, help.oh and petrol is down significantly for the inflation rate so get your act together BOE and pack it in!!!

 

[MalcSB]

There won't be space for them but that's about equiviance not justice really Malc because like it or climate change is destroying the planet and removing the carbon source and methane source is of importance really, there really isn't a choice some other form of energy is required,/necessary and it's not batteries, just get on with it and stop prevaricating, not you individually but Gov't's!

There will be space for them , there was for the other two.

Im not sure how throwing soup over paintings helps their argument as I’m not sure Van Gogh was a major polluter and perhaps they should protest in other countries. Milliband and this government are fully on board - but at what cost nobody is telling is.

 

[wingy]

There will be space for them , there was for the other two.

Im not sure how throwing soup over paintings helps their argument as I’m not sure Van Gogh was a major polluter and perhaps they should protest in other countries. Milliband and this government are fully on board - but at what cost nobody is telling is.

Aren't the Chinese doing their bit on a personal level?

 

[wingy]

Kier meets the Trump the commy hater,hmm!

 

[wingy]

There's a study out on our energy being published any time now that will blow your mind and illustrate the scale of theft that has been wrought on the British people, I'm afraid it will not paint a favourable picture of Thatcher and her privatisation of it, of it will get presented whatever papers bias is but we have been systematically ripped on this folly that has driven people out of business I guess like port Talbot or farms or anything else and you and me and everyone else in the country think we're talking 40-50%of the cost by international measures and the effect of the war in Ukraine hasn't had anywhere near the effect on others, but we'll see I guess!

 

[MalcSB]

Aren't the Chinese doing their bit on a personal level?

I didn’t mention China.

 

[Marty]

There won't be space for them but that's about equiviance not justice really Malc because like it or climate change is destroying the planet and removing the carbon source and methane source is of importance really, there really isn't a choice some other form of energy is required,/necessary and it's not batteries, just get on with it and stop prevaricating, not you individually but Gov't's!

We've already got the next stage of energy but we're unwilling to use it (nuclear).

 

[shmmeee]

We've already got the next stage of energy but we're unwilling to use it (nuclear).

More the last than the next, but yeah we should be building far more. Would be good to see the govt commit to some British made SMRs or at least a long term plan for reactors so we can actually rebuild the capability here.

 

[wingy]

I didn’t mention China.

Nah I know but I think it's worth noting!

 

[wingy]

First one down, Rosie Duffield gone!
Resigned.

 

[Flying Fokker]

Yep. Starmer is not doing well is he? Stupid bloke.

Canterbury MP Rosie Duffield says Keir Starmer's Labour cares more about greed and power

The Canterbury MP says she is leaving the party over the PM's "cruel" policies and "hypocrisy" at accepting gifts.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[MalcSB]

First one down, Rosie Duffield gone!
Resigned.

It’s a shame she has only resigned from the Labour party and no5 as an MP. An early by-election would be interesting.

 

[shmmeee]

It’s a shame she has only resigned from the Labour party and no5 as an MP. An early by-election would be interesting.

She wouldn’t have waited to win on his manifesto if she wanted to give up the job.

Reckon she’s going to be some independent for some tin pot women’s party.

 

[wingy]

She wouldn’t have waited to win on his manifesto if she wanted to give up the job.

Reckon she’s going to be some independent for some tin pot women’s party.

Trans phobia?

 

[Sick Boy]

I wonder how people would take to the Singapore approach which is to pay market rate for good people but ban all hints of corruption and financial influence.

Their transport minister earns £800k/year.

It’d be a yes from me. I’ve never understood how they could go from say transport to education so easily, surely it makes more sense to have an actual expert doing the job?!

 

[MalcSB]

Trans phobia?

She isn’t trans phobic.

 

[wingy]

She isn’t trans phobic.

Oh is she the opposite? must have got the wrong end of the stick

 

[MalcSB]

Oh is she the opposite? must have got the wrong end of the stick

She’s not trans phobic, she is basically for people born female who have retained that gender identity.

 

[wingy]

She’s not trans phobic, she is basically for people born female who have retained that gender identity.

That's what I meant originally,guess it's a labelling difference m

 

[shmmeee]

She’s not trans phobic, she is basically for people born female who have retained that gender identity.

No she doesn’t believe in gender identity. Because it’s bollocks.

 

[Como]

More from Rosie

Keir Starmer has a problem with women, says MP who has quit Labour
Rosie Duffield says government focused on ‘greed and power’ and the ‘lads are in charge’, day after leaving party

In a broadside at Starmer’s leadership, Duffield told the BBC she was Labour “in my heart and soul” but said the scandal over senior party figures’ acceptance of donations and gifts including clothes was indefensible given the party was keeping the two-child benefit cap and had cut the winter fuel allowance for all but the poorest pensioners.

Duffield had previously abstained on votes to cut the winter fuel payment and on an amendment to end the two-child benefit cap.

Keir Starmer has a problem with women, says MP who has quit Labour

Rosie Duffield says government focused on ‘greed and power’ and the ‘lads are in charge’, day after leaving party

www.theguardian.com

 

[shmmeee]

That would be Rosie Duffield who didn’t bother to vote against the WFP cut of course.

I have a lot of sympathy for how she’s been treated, but anyone who thinks this is genuine needs to get someone to be in charge of their bank account for their own safety. She obviously decided she’d do this before the election as revenge.

 

[wingy]

Is he back yet, hands on the tiller here we Go!

 

[MalcSB]

That would be Rosie Duffield who didn’t bother to vote against the WFP cut of course.

I have a lot of sympathy for how she’s been treated, but anyone who thinks this is genuine needs to get someone to be in charge of their bank account for their own safety. She obviously decided she’d do this before the election as revenge.

If so, she would have needed a whole set of different reasons to play to the crowd.

If she had decided to do this before the election, she may as well have voted against the WFP cut and resigned immediately afterwards and before the whips could do anything.

Methinks you are wrong and that it is your bank account that needs supervising.

 

[MalcSB]

The costs are trending down all the time. Same as EVs. The wheels are in motion (no pun) and normal technological advancement will do the rest.

Our energy costs are mostly down to reliance on gas and Truss getting rid of the reserves.

Even if you remove carbon costs, renewables are the cheapest form of generation.

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And we are comparing a proven technology with cutting edge ones with billions being poured into research.

Places with strong residential solar like California are already seeing almost zero grid dependence at noon:

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Next up is to shift that out as the sun sets, which means battery storage. Luckily that is consistently outperforming our predictions on cost there as well:


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Solid state batteries will eventually fall to lithium prices and enable EVs that beat the range of ICE with not much more fuelling time. Meanwhile EV costs are dropping and number of the road growing rapidly, 60% of new registrations in China were EVs last year.

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We’re at the point of western governments talking about putting tariffs on EVs because they’re too cheap. 2027 is the latest projection of when they will be cheaper to build than ICE cars. Even without laws banning them electric cars will win out and once petrol isn’t as profitable the supporting services will disappear hastening its demise.

This is before you get to advancements in nuclear, most of the cost of which is regulatory. And the advancements in consumer electronics. When I was a kid you had to worry about turning the lights off, that’s basically a solved problem now because LEDs are so cheap. I’m about to buy a tumble dryer that uses a third of the electricity of a standard one. My 65 inch TV uses about half the energy of the 32 inch one I had 20 years ago.

We are fast transitioning to a world where data centres and factories run off small modular reactors (or full plants in the case of Microsoft and Three Mile Island), residential and offices run from solar and battery and cars act like off grid storage.

Energy and transport is basically solved if current trends continue, and we keep beating trends.

I think care needs to be taken when looking at the uptake of BEVs, especially in Europe. There seems to be a lot of concern in the motor trade at the number that have been preregistered and held on to before being sold as nearly new. There are examples of two year old cars with less than 100 miles coming up for sale. This is having a massive impact on residuals, making motor traders nervous of taking them in and buyers equally nervous of buying them. I have been told that Porsche dealers weren’t taking Taycans in part exchange because of the huge losses that were being made on them.

I assume when you refer to tariffs on BEV s you means on Chinese ones. They are not too cheap, but they are less than the European manufacturers prices which in turn are more than the consumer is willing to pay.

As far as I know, the threat to bring forward the cutoff for new ICE to 2030 hasn’t actually been enacted yet, but without significant changes in vehicle pricing and non domestic charging costs, uptake is likely to be slow. If I was head of a European manufacturer, I would be getting my finance department to calculate the costs of pulling out of the UK entirely , taking in to account the costs of the fines for continuing to provide the customer with what they actually want - which are ICE cars.

It appears that Gridserve are in financial trouble which won’t help the roll out of charging points, and those that are rolling out often aren’t delivering the charging speeds claimed because of grid capacity

I am looking forward to paying a total of 4.2p per kWh including standing charge though. That is when I would consider an air source Heat pump and not before.

Your post was an interesting read and more thought provoking for me than throwing soup at paintings or causing traffic hold ups.

 

[Nick]

Tuition fees going up too?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The right win in Austria.

Austrian election: Kickl's far right 'opens new era' with unprecedented victory

The Freedom Party wins its first election, but building a coalition will be difficult.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[shmmeee]

The right win in Austria.

Austrian election: Kickl's far right 'opens new era' with unprecedented victory

The Freedom Party wins its first election, but building a coalition will be difficult.

www.bbc.co.uk

Sounds like like other European wins under PR they’ll have trouble forming a govt. It’s that 30% ceiling for batshittery again. That 30% is solid but you push the other 70% so far away you don’t get power.

 

[MalcSB]

Sounds like like other European wins under PR they’ll have trouble forming a govt. It’s that 30% ceiling for batshittery again. That 30% is solid but you push the other 70% so far away you don’t get power.

Batshit politics that 10% more of their electorate voted for than ours voted for Labour.

 

[shmmeee]

Batshit politics that 10% more of their electorate voted for than ours voted for Labour.

What?