Do you want to discuss boring politics? (27 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I have been in the same position as you before. I think it’s because, after losing a fair amount, the body goes into starvation mode and adapts to the ingestion of fewer calories.

I have a theory - for which I’m not aware of any scientific basis - that, after losing two or three stones, it might be a good idea to stay at the same weight for some months to allow it to adjust again before starting to diet again.

I accept that this might be complete nonsense but when I reach two stones off (I’m halfway there) I’m going to give it a try.

That’s what I’m doing for now, maintaining where I’m at for a while before trying again with the rest.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Your BMR will have dropped significantly. There’s every possibility you need less than 2k to maintain.

It will have, but as a 34 year old man my maintenance calories really ought to be around 2500.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Oh if an injection can massively help with weight loss which means people will overall be healthier / more active etc then why not roll it out?

great, more drugs being pumped into peoples bodies

 

[wingy]

great, more drugs being pumped into peoples bodies

Automated? can't beat it!

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Diet is much more significant than exercise.

not sure I agree with ‘much more’ significant

 

[shmmeee]

It will have, but as a 34 year old man my maintenance calories really ought to be around 2500.

That’s an average figure though. Your body will be unique in what it burns and how efficient it is at the various tasks you do. Makes more sense to follow your body than an average IMO.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

not sure I agree with ‘much more’ significant

If you’re starting from being morbidly obese as I was, then it is. I move about around as much the same as I always have done.

 

[shmmeee]

Female?

Both

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That’s an average figure though. Your body will be unique in what it burns and how efficient it is at the various tasks you do. Makes more sense to follow your body than an average IMO.

It’s what several calculators have told me to be fair

 

[shmmeee]

If you’re starting from being morbidly obese as I was, then it is. I move about around as much the same as I always have done.

At every level. There’s a reason “abs are made in the kitchen” is a thing.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

not sure I agree with ‘much more’ significant

It is much more significant. With weight-loss, diet is around 80% of it.

You can't really out-exercise a bad diet unless you work really hard. You can lose weight whilst not exercising easily though, so long as you are in a calorie deficit.

 

[shmmeee]

It’s what several calculators have told me to be fair

Yeah but again they don’t know you. It’s a rule of thumb. I don’t think you need to come up with a brand new scientific theory on weight loss when “this basic model doesn’t match my specific reality” is more than enough.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Automated? can't beat it!

losing weight is actually really easy if you know what you’re doing- it’s not just about calories, it’s not about avoiding fat.. there is so much misinformation peddled by people with a vested interest its unreal. Cutting any form of sugar alone makes a big difference, that stuff is pure poison and they stick it in almost everything.

and whoever said it’s cheap- not true. Eating truly healthy is really expensive.

 

[wingy]

Both

Choice or original form?

 

[CCFCSteve]

not sure I agree with ‘much more’ significant

Yeah, it’s all about context. If someone is shovelling 5000 calories down a day, a brisk walk won’t make much difference. If someone is just overeating a bit, exercise will help to keep things in check.

 

[shmmeee]

Choice or original form?

Who knows? One girl just liked her beer, played rugby and was a PE teacher and was fit but definitely significantly overweight.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Yeah, it’s all about context. If someone is shovelling 5000 calories down a day, a brisk walk won’t make much difference. If someone is just overeating a bit, exercise will help to keep things in check.

yep, you worded it much better than I managed- it’s all contextual and there’s no overall rule.

 

[wingy]

losing weight is actually really easy if you know what you’re doing- it’s not just about calories, it’s not about avoiding fat.. there is so much misinformation peddled by people with a vested interest its unreal. Cutting any form of sugar alone makes a big difference, that stuff is pure poison and they stick it in almost everything.

and whoever said it’s cheap- not true. Eating truly healthy is really expensive.

Exactly,so cut the price idk, mortgages,or transport,or something else?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah, it’s all about context. If someone is shovelling 5000 calories down a day, a brisk walk won’t make much difference. If someone is just overeating a bit, exercise will help to keep things in check.

Just from people we know who have tried, going to the gym leads people to be hungry and overestimate how much they’ve burned so they eat much more as a result.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Exactly,so cut the price idk, mortgages,or transport,or something else?

Not eating anything processed costs a fortune, and it’s a pain cooking it all- but get that right and the pain of weight loss drops dramatically

 

[shmmeee]

yep, you worded it much better than I managed- it’s all contextual and there’s no overall rule.

There is an overall rule. It’s calories in minus calories out.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not eating anything processed costs a fortune, and it’s a pain cooking it all- but get that right and the pain of weight loss drops dramatically

You can get bags of carrots for 50p. Vegetables aren’t expensive, decent quality meat is.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

There is an overall rule. It’s calories in minutes calories out.

I’m drained with this one so I’ll leave it alone

I know what I mean but clearly I’m not making sense

 

[shmmeee]

I’m drained with this one so I’ll leave it alone

I know what I mean but clearly I’m not making sense

I just couldn’t resist one last pop

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You can get bags of carrots for 50p. Vegetables aren’t expensive, decent quality meat is.

yep.. but also if you’re looking for healthy fats then that can be expensive too

 

[wingy]

yep.. but also if you’re looking for healthy fats then that can be expensive too

Butter's great for you so they've said after their about turn and it appears to have gone through the roof!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

yep.. but also if you’re looking for healthy fats then that can be expensive too

6 portions of beef curry and rice I’ve made for this week has cost about £20 all in, and took about 20 minutes of prep to bung into a slow cooker. It’s easier and cheaper than people think but what really doesn’t help is the abundance of conflicting information.

There are very few people who’ve gone from severely obese to ‘healthy’ and kept it off, but it’s those people who can help the most because they understand the difficulties the best. At least that’s my theory

 

[Nick]

It has huge potential side effects include in extreme cases blindness and cannot be used for type 2 diabetics

Ah, I was basing this on no side effects....

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Butter's great for you so they've said after their about turn and it appears to have gone through the roof!

some butters are really good for you..

 

[Ring Of Steel]

6 portions of beef curry and rice I’ve made for this week has cost about £20 all in, and took about 20 minutes of prep to bung into a slow cooker. It’s easier and cheaper than people think but what really doesn’t help is the abundance of conflicting information.

There are very few people who’ve gone from severely obese to ‘healthy’ and kept it off, but it’s those people who can help the most because they understand the difficulties the best. At least that’s my theory

I’m one of the ones who kept it off- went from 19 stone to 13.5 and doing ok. I eat a LOT of eggs and the cholesterol thing is a myth.

I hear you on every word you say

 

[Mcbean]

can we go back to politics - Bring back Boris

 

[wingy]

I’m one of the ones who kept it off- went from 19 stone to 13.5 and doing ok. I eat a LOT of eggs and the cholesterol thing is a myth.

I hear you on every word you say

Me too,but don't tell em this ok on the egg's!

 

[wingy]

can we go back to politics - Bring back Boris

He's had his moment and is another war apologist!

 

[Ring Of Steel]

can we go back to politics - Bring back Boris

Now there’s a man who doesn’t worry about his calorie surplus

 

[Nick]

Whack some butter in your coffee in the morning, it's good for you!