Brighton Sky Blue
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Robins has had no input into the decision to sell. So who made it and why?
What's our current cash on hand situation? You seem to know.
Don't make up shit like we've sold Hyam only because we've run out of money and then ask others to back up their statements, especually a perfectly reasonable assertion that the owners will cover cash flow shortages (as they have before). Back up your own statements before asking that of others.
Well four games in and 11 goals conceded. An idiot can see where our problem lies but hey lets sell our most prized central defender from under the nose of the manager with a week left of the transfer window and not give him the money to replace him.
if I was Robins I would be gone and who would blame him.
our owners really dont want us to push for promotion do they or even challenge in the championship because they arnt prepared to spend any money. Absolutely fuming tonight with the whole shit show of Sisu with this and the pitch fiasco. Hope they fck off and we get someone before its to late and we are back in the lower leagues
…we’re not then?
Our defence has been terrible last year too. No clean sheets since Feb vs Barnsley at home.
He's implied before that lucky sneak into the playoffs is the most we can manage, whereas these comments imply that Blackburn want to do it the normal boring way of buying good players and getting promoted.
…we’re not then?
Probably not no, in the end we were well short last season, and whilst everyone else seems to have strengthened, we seemed to have gone backwards with our signings.
…we’re not then?
Robins has had no input into the decision to sell. So who made it and why?
I not sure that's what he said tbh.
I am sure the recent issues have applied increased pressure to sell before the end of the window, but it has been said on here countless times since the end of last season that we're due to sell somebody.
Seemingly everyone I spoke to was of the view that 'one of the big 3' would be sold, a general acceptance that the overall finances are such that one of those assets would be turned into cash, and it was just a case of how much we'd get to reinvest. The sale didn't happen of course, despite some pretty hefty bids.
Now, we accept a bid for Hyam, and Grendel is foaming at the mouth trying to argue this has nothing to do with 'accounted debt' and is because weve literally run out of cash.
The truth is we've needed to sell a player for some time, long before the pitch issues. It's happened. Robins said it was all a bit leftfield and came out of the blue. It what it is, let's see who we bring in.
What's our current cash on hand situation? You seem to know.
Don't make up shit like we've sold Hyam only because we've run out of money and then ask others to back up their statements, especually a perfectly reasonable assertion that the owners will cover cash flow shortages (as they have before). Back up your own statements before asking that of others.
You need to listen againDidn’t hear that at all just listening back
But surely you feel this is a masterstroke by Sisu? He's dogshit no?Why have we sold Hyam?
But surely you feel this is a masterstroke by Sisu? He's dogshit no?
Amazing given your posts. So answer the question then or are you too childish to admit you're wrong? Going to resort to childish insults instead?grow up
He wants it both ways. What a pointless loserBut surely you feel this is a masterstroke by Sisu? He's dogshit no?
with respect I have and you’ve actually not referenced any financial information have you?
Oh and if they will cover cash flow shortages why have we sold someone today?
I can't recall you posting any financial information at all.
There is no requirement for me to do so given that I have made only 2 assertions; one that the club operates at a loss and two that the owners cover said losses in the form of loans. Which of these are you disputing?
Why have we sold Hyam? Because we need the money, it's not for footballing reasons is it? And even if the owners will cover cash flow shortages, that they have done so in the past is surely without dispute, I suspect the preference from the clubs perspective is not to go cap in hand to the owners if it's not necessary.
I've not denied that there are obvious cash flow drivers, but the 'run out of money' comment is a bit hyperbolic and not based on anything other than your hunch.
heres what I believe is the likely shortfall - how do you see it?
O'Hare bids
I attended the race day which seemed pretty successful. It's a different dynamic now though. As shown by the end of season awards if the club puts on a decent event it'll be well attended. the player sponsorship and shirt sponsorship elements on the commercial page is still 2019 rateswww.skybluestalk.co.uk
Pretty much where you are. That has been my argument all along, that player sales are required to keep the losses in check. I'm not why you have spent to last hour arguing with me?
how do we retain league status on what is an inferior operating model to our competition?
I don't think net spend is necessarily the issueWho says it's inferior? Remove those with parachute payments and those bankrolled (with whom we can't realistically compete anyway, so shouldn't try) that puts us in the mix with a 9/10 clubs, and the simple truth is we have to be better than them, and we have been have we not? Unless you want me to present a full mission statement in true Jerry Maguire style, I can't really answer that question.
Short of courting a filthy rich oligarch, we just have to be the best we can be with the resources we have. What's your solution? As stated, the owners will support the club and help cover losses to a point, but we need to sell once in a while, so why all the surprise when we do? That might mean we're treading water, I get that, but what's the solution?
Again, you never answer questions, what is it that you want from the owners while they are still here?
Most clubs in this league will have a negative net spend.
Who says it's inferior? Remove those with parachute payments and those bankrolled (with whom we can't realistically compete anyway, so shouldn't try) that puts us in the mix with a 9/10 clubs, and the simple truth is we have to be better than them, and we have been have we not? Unless you want me to present a full mission statement in true Jerry Maguire style, I can't really answer that question.
Short of courting a filthy rich oligarch, we just have to be the best we can be with the resources we have. What's your solution? As stated, the owners will support the club and help cover losses to a point, but we need to sell once in a while, so why all the surprise when we do? That might mean we're treading water, I get that, but what's the solution?
Again, you never answer questions, what is it that you want from the owners while they are still here?
Most clubs in this league will have a negative net spend.
We need:
Another £2-3m on the wage bill
£2-3m a season on signings
The aim is we’ll pick up a £10m player every 3-4 signings and maybe a couple of £5m ones. Getting us £20m from maybe £5-6m.
We need owners who can fund the first, and weather the storms and negotiate their way to the second without shitting the bed at the first sign of trouble and cutting the team off at the knees.
Selling the silverware to pay the bills is a false economy. If we’ve got no strategy for either massively increasing our commercial revenue (beyond the level of any other team in the division) or selling players for large sums, we’ve got no strategy for a Championship club.
I fail to believe Sisu don’t have access to capital, but seem to not have the appetite for this level of funding commitment. So they need to shit or get off the pot.
Or shit or watch your asset depreciate, which it invariably will.
Exactly. You can moan about operating costs all you like but all that happens in L1 is we barely fill a third of the ground and we lose millions in TV money.
Either you take the challenge of making CCFC (with its top ten crowds for the division IIRC) viable at this level, or you don’t. Either way be open with fans, and we can be open as to whether that’s acceptable.
I know it's been asked on here numerous times but what is their end game?
As you point out, we get relegated and the value drops considerably, and we will, eventually.
We need:
Another £2-3m on the wage bill
£2-3m a season on signings
The aim is we’ll pick up a £10m player every 3-4 signings and maybe a couple of £5m ones. Getting us £20m from maybe £5-6m.
We need owners who can fund the first, and weather the storms and negotiate their way to the second without shitting the bed at the first sign of trouble and cutting the team off at the knees.
Selling the silverware to pay the bills is a false economy. If we’ve got no strategy for either massively increasing our commercial revenue (beyond the level of any other team in the division) or selling players for large sums, we’ve got no strategy for a Championship club.
I fail to believe Sisu don’t have access to capital, but seem to not have the appetite for this level of funding commitment. So they need to shit or get off the pot.
…we’re not then?
Spot on Nick!It's pretty embarrassing really.
People are desperate to be angry and raging. I'm saving that for when Moore comes flying out of his goal at 3.30.
ExactlyArguably. All I heard over the summer was 'if we keep the big 3, I'll take that', we do that but then sell Hyam and people lose bladder control.
Lets see who we bring in.
We haven't seen enough of the players we have brought in to properly judge if we are weaker overall than last season. I'm not sure we are tbh. It's fine to be concerned, but some people need to give their heads a wobble, some really hysterical takes.
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