You two seem to take-over, & bicker on every thread one or the other posts on - did you notice that? Lol
Only because Don for some reason even refuses to accept what people say who he even supports.
Lets compare rents and beverage sales.
Average in the Championship let alone League One is £220,000. These clubs get all sales from food and drink.
We pay £400,000 and get limited access to these revenue streams.
Don says this is great news - I say it is spin, deception and uncompetitive.
You two seem to take-over, & bicker on every thread one or the other posts on - did you notice that? Lol
Oh dear you really really are a politicians dream. So at last you admit its £400,000 even though you started a thread saying the rent was £150,000.
So - average rent in this league is £170,000 and average in the Championship is £220,000. These ALL get 100% from the revenue streams.
We pay £400,000 and then get limited access to these revenue streams.
We are miles adrift.
Why can't you understand that?
Agree may take the mungo approach.
I live Grendel really
He takes the wrong view and tried to make it work.
He is a shock jock
Agree may take the mungo approach.
I love Grendel really
He takes the wrong view and tried to make it work.
He is a shock jock
Thanks the pennies dropped and you now realise you have been sucked in by ACL spin. Never mind it happens to us all.
Fact: Rent is £400,000
Fact: Average is £170,000
Fact: Every other club recieves 100% from revenue streams
Fact: We get a portion
Before like MMM when I defeated him you start giving types of sausages as an answer to me what in all of these statements is wrong?
Ignored question wonder why?
Does the rebate exist Grendel or as usual are you conveniently forgetting that?
...on no! Not the bloody sausages again?
No there is no rent rebate it is £400,000 a year
I know...you are two for a pair really. Both deeply passionate about CCFC like most (I would hope) on here. You both become very entrenched in your arguments too. But generally respectful which good.
I agree.
However I do have sneaky feeling sometimes Grendel chooses the indefensible to defend just for a challenge.
I am not 100% certain he believes it , but just enjoys the debate.
The deal is we pay 400k in rent. With the revenue streams we pay 150k is nonsense, we'll pay 400k in rent but reap part of the benefits our fans by buying food & drink etc. no matter what, we're still paying 400k. It looks attractive, but I bet ACL want the 1.3m back dated as well as a share in the match sales of 'x, y and z', I'd imagine the ideal agreement is close, but more concessions are needed IMO.
The deal is we pay 400k in rent. With the revenue streams we pay 150k is nonsense, we'll pay 400k in rent but reap part of the benefits our fans by buying food & drink etc. no matter what, we're still paying 400k. It looks attractive, but I bet ACL want the 1.3m back dated as well as a share in the match sales of 'x, y and z', I'd imagine the ideal agreement is close, but more concessions are needed IMO.
All correct, not rocket science but seemingly beyond a lot of people on here -- deliberately so I suspect
So why has Ashby Jan just personally spoke to a SISU director and said the following
Just to clear up all the nonsense that is being spouted about rent etc the highlights of the deal being offered are rent is £400 K including match day costs, then club would receive the ACL profits from match day catering, around £100k and a rate rebate of £150 k and this is how the total of £150,000 per season has been arrived at.
You're missing the point, we're still paying 400k rent. Most clubs have 100% of this revenue streams, if we factored that into the 'average rents', the average rent would be below 100k!
Whatever do you understand the rate rebate if 150k to mean?
Genuinely am I missing the point I understand a rebate to be a rebate. Like a tax rebate. Which to me leaves 250 a month.
Then I understand for it to come down to 150k is the further 100k from catering. SISU were allowed acces to the books to confirm this figure.
Is this not correct?
Whatever do you understand the rate rebate if 150k to mean?
Genuinely am I missing the point I understand a rebate to be a rebate. Like a tax rebate. Which to me leaves 250 a month.
Then I understand for it to come down to 150k is the further 100k from catering. SISU were allowed acces to the books to confirm this figure.
Is this not correct?
Why would we get a rebate? What would be the point of one, why haven't they just factored in the rebate in the final price?
Like I said before SBT I totally disagree with the tactic as I feel it takes us a step further away from having any chance if stadium ownership. Also it is dishonourable and unprofessional.
Also I feel we are always in the press misrepresented as a club in the verge if collapse I feel that leaves us constantly under the watchful eye of the vultures.
If this deal had been agreed the other day. I would have said to you financially for CCFC you may have been right.
However relationship wise with council I am not so sure.
However it wasn't agreed it seems strongly possible that it also played a role in Robins going.
So I am not sure how you feel if it was a guaranteed 250k ( less than the 300 you say) plus another 100 k on catering
Was it worth turning that down. We are getting crap press again and Robins has gone.
Maybe it is a way that they to do it to be able to offer the deal
Originally Posted by dongonzalos:
This from Ashby Jan after speaking to ACL directly:-
Just to clear up all the nonsense that is being spouted about rent etc the highlights of the deal being offered are rent is £400 K including match day costs, then club would receive the ACL profits from match day catering, around £100k and a rate rebate of £150 k and this is how the total of £150,000 per season has been arrived at.
Maybe it is a way that they to do it to be able to offer the deal
Originally Posted by dongonzalos:
This from Ashby Jan after speaking to ACL directly:-
Just to clear up all the nonsense that is being spouted about rent etc the highlights of the deal being offered are rent is £400 K including match day costs, then club would receive the ACL profits from match day catering, around £100k and a rate rebate of £150 k and this is how the total of £150,000 per season has been arrived at.
I'm sceptical of this 'rebate' because I don't see why they just wouldn't just knock it off the final price, again, I don't know the nitty gritty details, same with all of us really except the negotiating parties.
So take out the 100k catering
You are left with 250k
You said about 300k would be worth settling on?
If it is true?
No, it might be moveable, or changes time to time. I think ACL might be pulling a sly one with this 'rebate'.
250 is less than the 300 you would hold out for.
They are getting 100 k of the catering.
What is the rest worth?
Again if it was a factor in Robins going which he seemed to suggest. Was it worth reneging for.
Also on the balance if probabilities Tim did shake on this deal. Then pulled out and made a ludicrous comment about building a 30k stadium. Quite embarrassing really.
It's ok to change your mind before you sign a contract, so if he did shake on it, it doesn't mean much really, as he wasn't 'contractually obliged', I've heard that phrase a lot from a few people.
The deal, IMO, has to be backdated from when we stopped paying and we get 100% revenues on match day, if I were negotiating, I would not compromise on those 2, fundamental classes, problem is, ACL don't want to compromise on that either! We get nothing from the concerts, they shouldn't get a penny of what CCFC fans pay at CCFC games!
could you answer this please? If, by your standards, the deal is 150k because we get a cut in revenue streams etc., would that mean, whilst we haven't been getting this cut, we've actually been paying in excess of 1.5-1.75m a year? Especially bearing in mind, we had average crowds of 24k in our 1st season, 20k after that, late teens, etc.
Sorry SBT, you keep asking that last bit.
I thought I answered you by saying even if you forget about the revenue from the catering that is on offer the rent is 250 a year. Which is 50k less than what you are saying is a good deal that you would hold out for.
Paying the back dated owed rent.
You want it right back to the date SISU stopped paying that sounds fair. Does that include the 300k plus they are knocking off the debt to round it down to 1 million.
Or are you still happy for ACL to write that off?
Oh and the Mark Robins bit I keep asking.
Was it worth turning down this offer if it has been a contributory factor to Robins going?
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