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SkyBlue_Bear83
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Exactly, the owners and board got exactly what they wanted. We have been on a slide to league 1 for many years and last summer when we bought 3 players and about 15 left was the final straw. I still believe the majority of managers apart from a top class manager would have got relegated last season, you only have to see Clive Platt played in about 75% of our games in the championship and is now struggling in league 2 to see how poor our squad was
The board and SISU got exactly what they wanted with there fall guy for relegation who they can shift all the blame onto, the worst thing is that our idiotic fans eat it up again and again
I agree Thorn had to leave but it really annoys me when people make out he is solely/largely to blame for our position
lordsummerisle
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The board and most of the fans got what they wanted with Thorn, no point people trying to twist history.
Bizarrely, the most anti-Sisu, were generally also the most pro-Thorn.
I always blamed Sisu/the board for Thorn, but most on here shouldn't blame Sisu for doing what an awful lot of fans wanted.
Hate Sisu/Love Thorn, was always wrong minded.
Grendel
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Spot on - there would have been a backlash if he hadn't got the job - he was appointed as he was cheap and popular - the perfect scenario for Ken Delieu and the cost cutting regime.
What you mean between his appointment ,Ship nine players one being King who was we were told signing for us ,then flog two more during the season ,I think that was the Issue for the SOC element ,still we'll conveniently gloss over that little fact ,cos as we've found out this season those same players that remain who should easily have kept us up ,are storming the one we're in now.Are'nt they??
lordsummerisle
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I mean that when it was obvious that he was no good as a manager(fairly early on), an awful lot still kept supporting him, generally the same people who supported Sisu when it was obvious they were no good at running a football club(fairly early on), but became diametrically opposed to everything that they were later on.
Strangely enough, never gave any credit to Sisu for putting their man in charge of the club, which, though I personally thought was just another in a long line of mistakes by sisu and various boards, some thought was an act of staggering genius apparently.
Consistency and clarity of thought not really evident in the anti-Sisu/pro-Thorn camp.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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I wasn't talking about his appointment or fans opinion on his initial appointment, I was talking about the board got exactly what they wanted with there fall guy for relegation from the championship. No trying to twist history here
I doubt the protests would have even got off the ground if it were not for the overeaction to a couple of banners being shaken .As has been stated in another thread on here today,whats the difference Since Thorn went ,DMC's goals ,so Kings goals could have turned last season around .I would'nt so much say it was a Thorn Love in, more support the team ,along with the team we usually support the manager ,there was no clamour/ dissent audible on any occassion that I can recall within the stadium ,and it was only on here and other media,when the reality of our situation was nailed ,that with hindsight there was a shift against him,as the end of season polls showed the majority at that time did not blame him whether right or wrong.So the mass view would have been affected through that summer of exits regardless of manager ,when considering what previous incumbants achieved IMO.I guess i need to become a little more discerning and not jump off cliffs when I make optomistic assessments on the Internet in future 
SkyBlue_Bear83
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That is exactly what it was for me, I actually though Thorn should have gone Christmas last year after the awful run of 13 points in 21 games or something. When it wasn't done I decided to give my full support to the manager and the team as we were in a relegation battle and I felt the best thing to do was to support the team. He then probably should have gone in the summer and allowed a new manager to build a team but the board having given him the benefit the doubt should have then given him more than 3 games
Basically the board and owners have just stumbled out of one mess and into another over the last 18 months
Mucca Mad Boys
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They are to some extent right, they had more confidence under Thorn, than what Robins' inherited, ut it was Shaw's rein that ruined, potentially, our season!
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Even if we had only picked up just 6/7 points in the run where we lost 5 in a row it would put us in an ok position to mount a play off push
If he is saying Robins is Poor, totally agree, if he says he is as poor as Thorn, hasn't had time to put together a run as poor as his yet.
Robins was SISU's second choice - even SISU didn't want him!
In the time he has been here he has NOT inspired confidence, he has NOT improved the performances and he has NOT even managed to improve the fitness!
In less than 3 games, it was pretty much general consensus Shaw was not up to the task; and rightly so. So how is it that all of a sudden we can't hold Robins to account for performances? After all Shaw wasn't allowed to bring in any players. In his first week Robins brought in 4.
The wins have come almost single handedly - without him, cov would be firmly entrenched at rock bottom of the league. McGoldrick has given a false sense of optimism to the team. After the time he has been here, there should be clear and obvious signs of improvement and there are none.
Arlesey should have been a walk in the park, and cov struggled at least in the first half against a team of part-timers 4 leagues below cov! Fitness is still a massive weakness in this squad even now 1/3 into the season.
Morale is clearly even after wins at rock bottom. What is robins doing?
If it were a real job, robins would have been brought into the bosses office and given a warning by now. It just isn't good enough.
The only thing that has improved has been the addition of 1 player who can score goals regularly. And that player wasn't even brought in by Robins.
Its no good "telling it as it is" if at the end of the season cov are relegated again! SISU fluffed the recruitment process, and were left with only one option. What they should have done was open it up again and find the best man for the job - not the ONLY man on the list!
Cov's ONLY chance, is to have a good run through christmas, as after then what team in their right mind is going to give upa proven goalscorer to cov in the Jan transfer window? And even if prepared to do so would SISU stump up the cash?
I doubt it very much!
Robins was SISU's second choice - even SISU didn't want him!
In the time he has been here he has NOT inspired confidence, he has NOT improved the performances and he has NOT even managed to improve the fitness!
In less than 3 games, it was pretty much general consensus Shaw was not up to the task; and rightly so. So how is it that all of a sudden we can't hold Robins to account for performances? After all Shaw wasn't allowed to bring in any players. In his first week Robins brought in 4.
The wins have come almost single handedly - without him, cov would be firmly entrenched at rock bottom of the league. McGoldrick has given a false sense of optimism to the team. After the time he has been here, there should be clear and obvious signs of improvement and there are none.
Arlesey should have been a walk in the park, and cov struggled at least in the first half against a team of part-timers 4 leagues below cov! Fitness is still a massive weakness in this squad even now 1/3 into the season.
Morale is clearly even after wins at rock bottom. What is robins doing?
If it were a real job, robins would have been brought into the bosses office and given a warning by now. It just isn't good enough.
The only thing that has improved has been the addition of 1 player who can score goals regularly. And that player wasn't even brought in by Robins.
Its no good "telling it as it is" if at the end of the season cov are relegated again! SISU fluffed the recruitment process, and were left with only one option. What they should have done was open it up again and find the best man for the job - not the ONLY man on the list!
Cov's ONLY chance, is to have a good run through christmas, as after then what team in their right mind is going to give upa proven goalscorer to cov in the Jan transfer window? And even if prepared to do so would SISU stump up the cash?
I doubt it very much!
Otis
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'Robins was SISU's second choice - even SISU didn't want him!'
How can you say they didn't want him if he was 2nd choice?
That doesn't make sense. That means that out of over 75 applicants he was down to the final 2. How on earth does that compute as they didn't want him? He may have not been first choice but that doesn't mean they didn't want him!
If they didn't want him he wouldn't have made the shortlist.
How can you say they didn't want him if he was 2nd choice?
That doesn't make sense. That means that out of over 75 applicants he was down to the final 2. How on earth does that compute as they didn't want him? He may have not been first choice but that doesn't mean they didn't want him!
If they didn't want him he wouldn't have made the shortlist.
RichieGunns
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PSGM1/SkybluePM you never cease to amaze.
You spout the same regurgitated shite over and over again, contradict yourself in parts and base some of your opinions on unproven rumours!
You just said that Shaw wasn't allowed to bring any players in and then said that Robin's hadn't brought Goldie. Wrong! Shaw brought McGoldrick in, not Thorn, so that proves you wrong on that account.
Secondly (and I've told you this before) the rumour that Robin's was 2nd choice is and has always been just a rumour! It was reported on Sky Sports News like that because they believed Ince was the logical choice. Doesn't mean the club felt the same does it! Just because SPN say it, doesn't mean it's truth!
On top of that, the time it took Robin's to bring in Reckord, Henderson, Moussa & Bailey was literally 1 or 2 days. In the time it takes to enquire about a player, sort out the necessary paperwork, sign the contract and then get the player down to the club, a week has usually gone by.
To sign four loan players, Robins would have needed 2 whole weeks to get everything finalized which therefore suggest he already knew he was going to be the new manager 2 weeks before it was announced. And if you remember, they were still claiming interviews were happening in those final two weeks so explain that if you can!
In my opinion that blows your 2nd choice argument out of the window. Look at the evidence, Sherlock Holmes would say, it tells a deeper story than you know! Robin's was always their first choice and all the interview talk was smoke and mirrors to make sure no one would come and poach Robin's at the 11 hour!
As for your apparent disdain at any sky blue manager. You have no bloody faith and you expect so much from a club that it's in terminal decline and has been for the last 15 year's! Robin's needs time, its not going to get better over night. Its going to take at least a year before we're ready to mount a decent challenge on league one in my humble opinion.
So do me a favour, do your research before you start spouting off on one of your "contradictory, rumour filled hate mongering sessions" because until you start speaking facts, no one will ever take your seriously and you will always be greeted with scorn which is what you deserve in honesty!
You spout the same regurgitated shite over and over again, contradict yourself in parts and base some of your opinions on unproven rumours!
You just said that Shaw wasn't allowed to bring any players in and then said that Robin's hadn't brought Goldie. Wrong! Shaw brought McGoldrick in, not Thorn, so that proves you wrong on that account.
Secondly (and I've told you this before) the rumour that Robin's was 2nd choice is and has always been just a rumour! It was reported on Sky Sports News like that because they believed Ince was the logical choice. Doesn't mean the club felt the same does it! Just because SPN say it, doesn't mean it's truth!
On top of that, the time it took Robin's to bring in Reckord, Henderson, Moussa & Bailey was literally 1 or 2 days. In the time it takes to enquire about a player, sort out the necessary paperwork, sign the contract and then get the player down to the club, a week has usually gone by.
To sign four loan players, Robins would have needed 2 whole weeks to get everything finalized which therefore suggest he already knew he was going to be the new manager 2 weeks before it was announced. And if you remember, they were still claiming interviews were happening in those final two weeks so explain that if you can!
In my opinion that blows your 2nd choice argument out of the window. Look at the evidence, Sherlock Holmes would say, it tells a deeper story than you know! Robin's was always their first choice and all the interview talk was smoke and mirrors to make sure no one would come and poach Robin's at the 11 hour!
As for your apparent disdain at any sky blue manager. You have no bloody faith and you expect so much from a club that it's in terminal decline and has been for the last 15 year's! Robin's needs time, its not going to get better over night. Its going to take at least a year before we're ready to mount a decent challenge on league one in my humble opinion.
So do me a favour, do your research before you start spouting off on one of your "contradictory, rumour filled hate mongering sessions" because until you start speaking facts, no one will ever take your seriously and you will always be greeted with scorn which is what you deserve in honesty!
Mucca Mad Boys
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Or even still an promotion push, but under Shaw we lost the same amount of games as Charlton did last season! :facepalm: Shaw ruined our season as Thorn got us off to an OKish start bar Bury.
Kilbane on the wing!? Joke of a manager! Said he was going to retain the diamond after brum... Dropped it after 45m v Crewe.
RichieGunns
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Off topic but exactly how SISU should have done it!
As you all know im of the opinion that Robins was their number one from the minute they interviewed him but that just makes it worse when you think about the time it took them to finally confirm is position as our new manager.
I'd say it was smoke and mirrors but did they really need 2/3 weeks of smoke and mirrors? I mean think of the electric bills, not to mention how much smoke fluid they'd had to have bought
Grendel
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We used to. We sounded out Peter Reid - he said yes - we sacked Eric Black.
Two people in the row behind me today, had the following conversation.
'I think we played better under Thorn. I don't get it. They seemed to be scared to play now'
The other one replied 'I know what you mean. They have no confidence now. Not sure about his tactics, but under him at least they had confidence'.
I thought to myself is this a set up by someone from skyblues talk!
Yeah, played so well - and look where it got us!
covcity4life
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guy behind me
thorn was shit
other guy behind me
yeh he was
debate over?
thorn was shit
other guy behind me
yeh he was
debate over?
dongonzalos
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Where were we in the table when he was sacked
LJC_CCFC
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Are you for real???
Sick Boy
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I highly doubt we would have seen 6 wins out of 10 with only 2 losses though!
Still, that write up on that website trying to get him a job claimed he only lost 1 game whilst he was caretaker. Maybe the following season he could have rewritten history (again) and he would have led us to promotion.
Grendel
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The real annoying thing is that a couple of people imply that even if we get into the top 6 (which is highly unlikely) we would have anyway had we not had Shaw in charge for 4 league games. The truth is that we would almost certainly still have lost to Tranmere with 100% home record and Crewe (never do well there) and the Stevanage game changed on a terrible refereing decision anyway. It is very disprespectful then to suggest that a manager who lost far, far more games that he won would engineer such a revival we would be a force in this division.
If we get near to the play offs given the culture of failure that Thorn created and Shaw (who appointed him by the way?) continued it really would be a fantastic achievement.
dongonzalos
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So undefeated for 3 games
Sack manager.
5 defeats on the trot. It is unfair to include the first match for Robins as one of his defeats.
New permanent manager only 2 defeats in the next 8 (I think)
I take it the 5 defeats were down to the poor squad and outside matters were nothing to do with it.
They would have happened anyway and the dearth of defeats before and after this is coincidence?.
Sack manager.
5 defeats on the trot. It is unfair to include the first match for Robins as one of his defeats.
New permanent manager only 2 defeats in the next 8 (I think)
I take it the 5 defeats were down to the poor squad and outside matters were nothing to do with it.
They would have happened anyway and the dearth of defeats before and after this is coincidence?.
Grendel
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I've forgotten - please remind me - how many games did we win before Robins came in?