Doug got it right (31 Viewers)

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

You said the team was better in 2023., It wasnt. Glad i could help there. A bench with Waghorn, Maguire, Wilson-Esbrand, need i go on

Yeah the squad depth is better now, I’m not on about unused subs. Hamer and Gyokeres were unbelievable, those two alone push that team (starting 11 not including staff, unused subs or ball boys) beyond this but that’s simply my opinion.

 

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[Gynnsthetonic]

Yeah the squad depth is better now, I’m not on about unused subs. Hamer and Gyokeres were unbelievable, those two alone push that team (starting 11 not including staff, unused subs or ball boys) beyond this but that’s simply my opinion.

Doyle and Mcnally as well don't forget. The amount of clean sheets we kept was ridiculous

 

[Torquay Sky Blue]

The overall squad is massively better than the play off final team. The difference is this team doesnt have Hamer and Gyokeres

This is true . The team was better but the squad wasn't. Makes you wonder what Lampard would of done with that team...like got them promoted or something

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

This is true . The team was better but the squad wasn't. Makes you wonder what Lampard would of done with that team...like got them promoted or something

How did that work when he had Mason Mount, Tomori, Ashley Cole, Harry Wilson, Tom Huddlestone and Lawrence in a final?

 

[Lamps]

There was more to it than poor form I agree, but there was lies chucked in there and an attempt to portray that Robins could only survive with AV and his bibs and cones. Clearly MR was going through a tough time personally with bereavement too.

Lampard has started really well, credit to him. But we haven’t made the play offs or the play off final yet. Robins delivered a PO Final and a Semi Final of the FA Cup when asked for a cup run. I would wait until May to see where we finish before making a conclusion. We have got picked apart by teams with a bit of quality like Leeds and Ipswich and it’s quality teams we’ll need to beat in the big moments. The ‘deck’ we’ve got is still behind the 2023 PO Final team IMO.

Lampard is definitely heading in the right direction but let’s get there first.

I think you need a reality check on Lampard.

It doesn't matter what your thoughts are on getting rid of Robins and replacing him with Lampard. The facts are he took over a struggling side that couldn't defend to save their lives. 3 of our best players have been out with quite long injuries. Yet now we're on a brilliant winning run and have gone from just a couple of points out of the bottom 6 to being 1 more win away from probably being in the top 6. This hasn't happened by accident. When Wright is back up to speed we're going to be some side. He will have the players Robins was failing with.

 

[Lamps]

The overall squad is massively better than the play off final team. The difference is this team doesnt have Hamer and Gyokeres

But we have Wright and Rudoni surrounded by better players. We don't rely on just 2 players anymore.

 

[clint van damme]

I think you need a reality check on Lampard.

It doesn't matter what your thoughts are on getting rid of Robins and replacing him with Lampard. The facts are he took over a struggling side that couldn't defend to save their lives. 3 of our best players have been out with quite long injuries. Yet now we're on a brilliant winning run and have gone from just a couple of points out of the bottom 6 to being 1 more win away from probably being in the top 6. This hasn't happened by accident. When Wright is back up to speed we're going to be some side. He will have the players Robins was failing with.

He's doing an incredible job. Far exceeded by expectations.
Though I still find it amazing that we have snakes in our support who cant acknowledge the job Robins done and if you defend him you're a Stoke supporter!!
Well this Stoke supporter is about to bag a Derby ticket because somehow he's in the top tier points bracket!

 

[Lamps]

But that team did have Hamer and Gyokeres, so it is. If your uncle had three balls, he’d be a pinball machine etc.

And when Hamer went off in the playoff final we went from looking like we were going to win to looking to hold on for penalties.

 

[Sick Boy]

6 wins in 7 and there’s still moaning ffs

 

[TomRad85]

6 wins in 7 and there’s still moaning ffs

The goal posts keep getting moved further and further. Lampard will have failed if he hasn't turned us into European Champions within 3 seasons at this rate.

 

[Lamps]

The goal posts keep getting moved further and further. Lampard will have failed if he hasn't turned us into European Champions within 3 seasons at this rate.

You missed out winning the Prem after 2 seasons.

 

[Torquay Sky Blue]

How did that work when he had Mason Mount, Tomori, Ashley Cole, Harry Wilson, Tom Huddlestone and Lawrence in a final?

Perhaps he's learnt and improved as a manager

 

[bigfatronssba]

‘He has secured MR’s legacy’

The c**t threw MR under the bus in an embarrassing fans forum. Mark Robins secured Mark Robin’s legacy.

If Robins had took us down his legacy would’ve been ruined.

 

[Londonccfcfan]

Yes Doug got it right. There was never any doubt about it. It was brave. He took emotion out of it

As i just mentuined on another thread.

What he got wrong was how it was done the MR sacking. Can argue its never easy but he deserved better.

Hope we give MR a send off ( after the game when we have the points in the bag).

 

[bigfatronssba]

The easiest thing for King to do would’ve been to listen to the fans, not sack him, and then wait for the fans to turn on Robins (which after all he did for us, would’ve been awful to see).

As it is, Robins will always receive a hero’s welcome back at the club, with his relationship with the fans fully intact.

In King we have an owner that will take controversial decisions that we might not always like. However so long as they’re in the long term interests of the club, we should be grateful for that

 

[Nick]

I can't believe people are still arguing over this.

A lot has changed since Robins left. The announcement of Lampard took ages. It could have gone either way. Things were turning toxic at our club. But it seems Lampard wanted to do things his way or not join us. You can't blame him because if he failed with us his record as manager would have looked poor.

Things changed when King took over. Robins title was changed from manager to coach. It wasn't just down to him on the players coming in or out. The older, experienced players left. We were left without leaders on the pitch. But we bought young players for good money that would have a good resale value.

Fast forward to Lampard taking over. His title is manager. He brought in his own coaches. Looks like he has the say on which players join us. Only two so far but they're 29 and 33. We paid between 3.5m and 4m for a 29 year old. We most probably won't get a penny back from him. But worth every penny. The value of the other players will go up especially if we get promoted.

The Lampard appointment was a very good one. Letting him do it his way even more important. I was worried about his appointment, especially how things could go if he couldn't turn things around. And it wasn't a certainty he could. But with the way our club was when Robins left there was no chance Robins would have been able to turn it around like Lampard has.

Lampard was never going to be able to get us to the level of Leeds this quickly. But now we're not far off being the second or 3rd best side in the Championship. Keep this run going and we could finish 4th. People laughed at the thought of us getting anywhere near the playoffs even as recently as the start of last month.

Yes Robins was brilliant for us especially with all the crap that went on. But Lampard is the man to take us to the next level.

Have you just made that up to rewrite history?

It's a nice story and all but Robins job title wasn't changed at all, Lampard will have the same say on players coming in along with other people like Austin.

 

[Nick]

Though I still find it amazing that we have snakes in our support who cant acknowledge the job Robins done and if you defend him you're a Stoke supporter!!

I think it often gets confused when people say "he had run out of ideas". Somebody can say he did well in previous years but at that moment in time and the start of our season, we were shocking and it didn't look like changing.

"We have been shocking this season"
"He's given me the best years of my life"
"Yes I get that, this season we look lost and nothing is changing"
"Won League One though"

Is how it usually went. People took things way too personally if anybody said anything like he was their dad.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I think it often gets confused when people say "he had run out of ideas". Somebody can say he did well in previous years but at that moment in time and the start of our season, we were shocking and it didn't look like changing.

"We have been shocking this season"
"He's given me the best years of my life"
"Yes I get that, this season we look lost and nothing is changing"
"Won League One though"

Is how it usually went. People took things way too personally if anybody said anything like he was their dad.

To be fair though any criticism of Lampards approach to games is followed by

"yeah but Robins" or "go watch Stoke"

 

[Nick]

To be fair though any criticism of Lampards approach to games is followed by

"yeah but Robins" or "go watch Stoke"

Lampard isn't above criticism or pointing out things he has got wrong. (Norwich was one I think).

There are a couple of people on here who are fucking obsessed with him though and can tell it's hurting them we are doing well. So yeah, they should fuck off and watch Stoke (The "Lampard doesn't care about CCFC at all" rant was hilarious)

 

[SkyBlueMatt]

I completely dismissed Lampard in the beginning, though I would say the sacking of MR weighed heavily on that. It could have been Klopp or Pep taking over, I wasn't having it.

It still doesn't sit right with the lack of loyalty MR was shown and the way it happened but Lampard has been brilliant since taking over. I still believe Robins could have turned it around but that's a pointless discussion which I have no interest in. I want to look forward and Lampard is doing a brilliant job in giving us something to cheer for.

If he doesn't perform a miracle this season and get us promoted, then next year he will have a chance to show what he can do over a full season. That's when we can properly judge him.

He's not had a easy start and that's putting it lightly. Replacing Robins and the toxicity that followed was not for the weak. What better way to show you're the man for the job? Smash 21 points out of 24! Football fans are fickle, a good run has got some disrespecting a man who took us from the brink of extinction to a kick away from the promised land.

Lampard has my full backing, it's too early to say if it will be the correct decision long term. In the short term, every sign is positive and I think King will be very happy with his decision.

 

[clint van damme]

I think it often gets confused when people say "he had run out of ideas". Somebody can say he did well in previous years but at that moment in time and the start of our season, we were shocking and it didn't look like changing.

"We have been shocking this season"
"He's given me the best years of my life"
"Yes I get that, this season we look lost and nothing is changing"
"Won League One though"

Is how it usually went. People took things way too personally if anybody said anything like he was their dad.

Saying hed run out of ideas is a reasonable opinion, my response wasn't to reasonable criticism though.
Having you must support Stoke as your go to response is the mark of a fucking idiot and that's what I was responding to.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

I completely dismissed Lampard in the beginning, though I would say the sacking of MR weighed heavily on that. It could have been Klopp or Pep taking over, I wasn't having it.

It still doesn't sit right with the lack of loyalty MR was shown and the way it happened but Lampard has been brilliant since taking over. I still believe Robins could have turned it around but that's a pointless discussion which I have no interest in. I want to look forward and Lampard is doing a brilliant job in giving us something to cheer for.

If he doesn't perform a miracle this season and get us promoted, then next year he will have a chance to show what he can do over a full season. That's when we can properly judge him.

He's not had a easy start and that's putting it lightly. Replacing Robins and the toxicity that followed was not for the weak. What better way to show you're the man for the job? Smash 21 points out of 24! Football fans are fickle, a good run has got some disrespecting a man who took us from the brink of extinction to a kick away from the promised land.

Lampard has my full backing, it's too early to say if it will be the correct decision long term. In the short term, every sign is positive and I think King will be very happy with his decision.

Doug was very Loyal, he gave him loads of time, he he wanted Robins to get us to the Premier league and achieve promotion through all the leagues. Unfortunately it's a results business and MR wasn't getting them. King acted like most chairman/owners would of. Even MR said himself said so

 

[clint van damme]

Doug was very Loyal, he gave him loads of time, he he wanted Robins to get us to the Premier league and achieve promotion through all the leagues. Unfortunately it's a results business and MR wasn't getting them. King acted like most chairman/owners would of. Even MR said himself said so

Although King did say it wasn't the results.
I think if they hadn't fell out he'd have given him/them longer.
But they did and that was it.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Although King did say it wasn't the results.
I think if they hadn't fell out he'd have given him/them longer.
But they did and that was it.

I thought King said it was the results, which is why he sacked him

 

[clint van damme]

I thought King said it was the results, which is why he sacked him

Thought he said something like I could say this is about results, he then listed how bad results had been but then said but the truth is and went on to explain the fall out

 

[SkyBlueMatt]

Doug was very Loyal, he gave him loads of time, he he wanted Robins to get us to the Premier league and achieve promotion through all the leagues. Unfortunately it's a results business and MR wasn't getting them. King acted like most chairman/owners would of. Even MR said himself said so

The first season when it looks like we could take a step back and he pulled the trigger before December. Last season we finished a few positions back in the league but we should have got to an FA cup final which balances it out.

Although King did say it wasn't the results.
I think if they hadn't fell out he'd have given him/them longer.
But they did and that was it.

Exactly, I was about to say. This is what makes it some what stomach-able, Robins had lost his Robin to his Batman .

 

[long way home]

I dont think it was 1 thing that sparked DK into making his decision. It was based on multiple factors that DK couldn't allow to carry on. He obviously thought and stated Adi and MR were better together than apart. As individuals they both had limitations which he believes would stop the club reaching his expectations.

 

[covcity4life]

Remember when we all lost our heads because we didn't hit the points target

I pointed it out at the time how silly it was but the agenda crew was in full force at this point. Funny that they had no idea they were about to crumble and eat humble pie very soon.