Doug King (8 Viewers)

GIMOC · 2024-12-21T17:14:33+0000

Sick Boy said:
It's really not that difficult to understand. If you're in advanced stages of takeover negotiations, the current owners aren't going to risk the whole thing falling apart.

but you said they would? How do you know that?

pusbccfc · 2024-12-21T17:14:36+0000

bigfatronssba said:
Yeah it’s not like they tried to sell O’Hare (who you think is amazing) to Burnley in summer 2022 is it?

Or Hyam, fairly cheaply, literally months before

pusbccfc · 2024-12-21T17:15:31+0000

GIMOC said:
so the season we got playoff final wasn’t the same scenario?

We were on 33 points that season at Christmas?

GIMOC · 2024-12-21T17:15:32+0000

bigfatronssba said:
Yeah it’s not like they tried to sell O’Hare (who you think is amazing) to Burnley in summer 2022 is it?

you just they weren’t proven

Now you saying we tried to sell in 2022

what is it?

Tommo1993 · 2024-12-21T17:15:45+0000

If I’m Frank Lampard and was made to have a very deflating January window, I’d walk away.

GIMOC · 2024-12-21T17:16:18+0000

pusbccfc said:
We were on 33 points that season at Christmas?

everyone was saying win today, playoffs is on

Ccfcisparks · 2024-12-21T17:17:06+0000

GIMOC said:
what you talking about?

if sisu were gonna sell them 2 it would have been straightaway

they were never selling them 2 in Jan

Your reading comprehension is atrocious

Sick Boy · 2024-12-21T17:17:52+0000

GIMOC said:
but you said they would? How do you know that?

They'd have had to have raised money to keep the club running somehow, much like we had to sell Hyam off. For the record, it's probably the only thing I give King credit for since he's bought the club.

pusbccfc · 2024-12-21T17:18:12+0000

GIMOC said:
everyone was saying win today, playoffs is on

I don't think everone was? It was the usual hype after one win.

The season is done and dusted for me.

fatso · 2024-12-21T17:18:26+0000

I'd be very worried tonight if I was Doug.

The writing was on the wall today with that line up.
I said on here before kick off that we will need to score 3 goals to get a point, I never expected to need 4 goals, but I knew that defence would get turned over at every opportunity.

If I can see the blindingly fucking obvious, then wtf can't Lampard, who's supposedly a tactical genius.

If he sticks with Collins, Binks and Dasilva for the next game, then the fans will be running out of patience already.

I'm sure Plymouth will of watched that shit, and they'll be fancying their chances on Thursday, so that now becomes a harder game that it should of been.

Sick Boy · 2024-12-21T17:20:04+0000

fatso said:
If he sticks with Collins, Binks and Dasilva for the next game, then the fans will be running out of patience already.

I doubt any of them will start; I can't see Collins playing for us again.

Evo1883 · 2024-12-21T17:22:57+0000

pusbccfc said:
I don't think everone was? It was the usual hype after one win.

The season is done and dusted for me.

We can still salvage it with decent January recruitment , as I stated a million times before even under robins

Team needs a couple of quality leaders

Ccfcisparks · 2024-12-21T17:22:57+0000

Also can’t believe people are lapping up the bullshit that COH wanted to stay if the money was right

fatso · 2024-12-21T17:25:37+0000

Sick Boy said:
I doubt any of them will start; I can't see Collins playing for us again.

I hope your right, to be honest I'm not impressed at all with Lampard so far.
He's has a piss easy few games, and hasn't impressed me at all.

It's early days, and he needs to recruit well in Jan, but he's got a long way to go to turn this shit around.

mmttww · 2024-12-21T17:26:37+0000

fatso said:
If he sticks with Collins, Binks and Dasilva for the next game, then the fans will be running out of patience already.

You've said a lot of stuff that's pretty OTT but it's hard to disagree with this one. I get why he kept the side unchanged, and he can't have predicted Collins would play like he was hungover, but he has to react to it somehow.

pusbccfc · 2024-12-21T17:26:44+0000

Evo1883 said:
We can still salvage it with decent January recruitment , as I stated a million times before even under robins

Team needs a couple of quality leaders

But there won't be any sniff off the play offs which ultimately means it's season over for me.

Sick Boy · 2024-12-21T17:27:57+0000

fatso said:
I hope your right, to be honest I'm not impressed at all with Lampard so far.
He's has a piss easy few games, and hasn't impressed me at all.

It's early days, and he needs to recruit well in Jan, but he's got a long way to go to turn this shit around.

He deserves a couple of transfer windows (where he's actually backed) before he's judged, IMO.

bigfatronssba · 2024-12-21T17:29:02+0000

GIMOC said:
you just they weren’t proven

Now you saying we tried to sell in 2022

what is it?

Sorry, I’m struggling to understand why you think those two statements are contradictory.

Let’s split it out.

1. O’Hare is not a proven Championship winner. The highest finish we ever finished with him in the team was 9th. We did better without him in 22/23.

2. Yes we tried to sell him to Burnley. It’s an open secret.

Those two things do not contradict each other

mds · 2024-12-21T17:29:45+0000

Evo1883 said:
We can still salvage it with decent January recruitment , as I stated a million times before even under robins

Team needs a couple of quality leaders

Yep, not replacing Hamer was a huge mistake, thinking we could rely on one of Eccles, Sheaf or Allan to do what Gus could do was crazy.

ccfcchris · 2024-12-21T17:32:05+0000

Doug King has had a massive wake-up call today. That performance was not acceptable and the flaws in the side were there for all to see.

I like Frank and want him to do well here as he's a thoroughly nice guy, but I'm afraid that's not enough. He has to deliver.

I don't expect him to come out slagging players but he needs to be strong enough to drop certain individuals.

After that performance by some players, I'd be tempted to give a chance to one or two of the younger lads.

GIMOC · 2024-12-21T17:35:41+0000

bigfatronssba said:
Sorry, I’m struggling to understand why you think those two statements are contradictory.

Let’s split it out.

1. O’Hare is not a proven Championship winner. The highest finish we ever finished with him in the team was 9th. We did better without him in 22/23.

2. Yes we tried to sell him to Burnley. It’s an open secret.

Those two things do not contradict each other

How thick are you?

Burnley won the league at a canter that season and wanted him

Sheffield Utd currently on course to get promoted have got him now

he is proven championship player whether you like it or not

while we are sitting bottom half since he left

If ohare was still here, would he start today? Of course he would

Ccfcisparks · 2024-12-21T17:37:30+0000

GIMOC said:
How thick are you?

Burnley won the league at a canter that season and wanted him

Sheffield Utd currently on course to get promoted have got him now

he is proven championship player whether you like it or not

while we are sitting bottom half since he left

If ohare was still here, would he start today? Of course he would

Do we win today if he plays

Sky Blue Harry H · 2024-12-21T17:39:51+0000

pusbccfc said:
But there won't be any sniff off the play offs which ultimately means it's season over for me.

What does that mean? If you mean we won't make the play offs, then fair enough - but why is the season over? What I want is to see the manager work out his strongest team. implement a style of play, and identify where we need strengthening over the next window or two. As @Sick Boy said, the priority in the summer is a an experienced commanding keeper, plus recruit a couple of leaders, which were noticeably absent today. Whether FL is the right appointment or not, coaching wise, it seems obvious that we lack a bit of grit. Noticed a few occasions today of players looking hard done by re: 'fouls' whereas that Colby Bishop and the like were all up for a physical challenge (with arguably lesser ability).

bigfatronssba · 2024-12-21T17:41:33+0000

My biggest concern with King isn’t what he has done, it’s what he will do.

It seems he had 100% trust in Robins, up to and including sacking Viveash. Robins asked for Adi to go and King obliged.

Because of their falling out, we’re now struggling.

What message does that send to King? Don’t trust your staff is the main one.

Whoever is manager needs an element of trust but also challenge. King needs to learn to challenge his staff but also trust them.
My concern is he won’t trust those in charge of the football side going forward

bigfatronssba · 2024-12-21T17:42:33+0000

GIMOC said:
How thick are you?

Burnley won the league at a canter that season and wanted him

Sheffield Utd currently on course to get promoted have got him now

he is proven championship player whether you like it or not

while we are sitting bottom half since he left

If ohare was still here, would he start today? Of course he would

Why did he struggle to get in the team last season?

bigfatronssba · 2024-12-21T17:44:00+0000

Ccfcisparks said:
Do we win today if he plays

Apparently super Cal would’ve overpowered Collins and forced him to catch the ball

pusbccfc · 2024-12-21T17:45:53+0000

bigfatronssba said:
Why did he struggle to get in the team last season?

It was pretty clear Robins started leaving him out when it was likely he was not signing a contract.

We were a far better side with him in. Not that he would have made a difference today.

clint van damme · 2024-12-21T17:46:27+0000

Boicey said:
Let's be honest most of the mess regarding the quality of our squad is down to Robins.
The Barnsley trio, JDS, Binks and probably Dovin, BTA all strange buys.
Doug is liable if he blanket ruled out the purchase of older, experiences players or loans.
But whatever, what came in for our 'windfall' Gok, Gus money looks really low quality. Sad really.

So you think King was lying when he said its a top 6 deck?

bigfatronssba · 2024-12-21T17:46:36+0000

GIMOC said:
How thick are you?

Burnley won the league at a canter that season and wanted him

Sheffield Utd currently on course to get promoted have got him now

he is proven championship player whether you like it or not

while we are sitting bottom half since he left

If ohare was still here, would he start today? Of course he would

Also there is a difference between being a proven championship player and a proven championship winner.

Dasilva is a proven championship player. Are you happy with him?

bigfatronssba · 2024-12-21T17:47:55+0000

pusbccfc said:
It was pretty clear Robins started leaving him out when it was likely he was not signing a contract.

We were a far better side with him in. Not that he would have made a difference today.

No we weren’t
There were a fair few games last year where is was clear he was pulling out of challenges because he was worried about a major injury and not having any club at all.

Robins didn’t leave him out because of spite

Boicey · 2024-12-21T17:49:05+0000

GIMOC said:
since king has come in we’ve regressed as a club on the pitch

fancy training ground means fuck all if the team ain’t good enough

Doug should hang up his boots...
He backed Robins big time with money for squad improvement and he fooked it up.

Boicey · 2024-12-21T17:59:37+0000

clint van damme said:
So you think King was lying when he said its a top 6 deck?

I suspect he said something to keep player moral up while he was putting a big change in place, replacing the manager. He isn't gonna say it's a bit shit and Robin's pissed the money is he?
No doubt Lampard agreed a January war chest to improve the team from the mess we're in. We'll see what the January turnover is.

pusbccfc · 2024-12-21T18:01:38+0000

bigfatronssba said:
No we weren’t
There were a fair few games last year where is was clear he was pulling out of challenges because he was worried about a major injury and not having any club at all.

Robins didn’t leave him out because of spite

O'Hare was integral to the December - Feb unbeaten run.

Senior Vick from Alicante · 2024-12-21T18:01:49+0000

King is not the problem. We have recruited poorly since the stardust players have left or have been sold. For that you have to blame Austin and Dr Claire as well as Robins, Robins and Austin mainly but the good doctor who supposedly does psychological assessments to make sure they are of the right calibre, perhaps she should ask them about minerals going forward because the only two players with them are Kitchen and Bidwell.

King has steadied the ship off the pitch and once he has a director of football he will have the behind the scenes team to enable him to concentrate on the day to day running and profits. I can see Austin parting ways when this happens as his track record for digging up diamonds over the last 18 months has been shit. Robins wouldn't have got a tune out of these players so I doubt Frank will. He needs a couple of strong loans this window as our spine is weak as piss, it could get nasty boxing day with a bad performance.

Otis · 2024-12-21T18:04:44+0000

Evo1883 said:
We didn't need a change in management , that's what he's done wrong , he's a wanker

Thing is, if you think it was right to get rid of Robins, then that only works if you bring someone better than Robins in.

What is there to suggest that Frank Lampard will be any better?

And by all accounts, his teams tended to let in a lot of goals didn't they?

Maybe that's why we brought him here. Good fit for that model.

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