Otis
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As I say, this debate has happened before hasn't it.
Most certainly not calling it as a get out clause.
He needs locking away. Prison or mental health unit. Whichever way you look at it.
As I say, this debate has happened before hasn't it.Any kind of terrorist/murderer has mental health issues to a degree surely. Its not really a get out clause is it.
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He gives you righties a bad nameFfs. I'm pretty right thinking and I don't know where to start with this.
'One'
'They'
He put a knife into kids and their teacher on the street.
It doesn't matter his colour, age, sexual orientation.
The world has gone mad how it's "I hope they're alright, they might have mental issues". I'm pretty sure 100% of serial killers have mental issues. Doesn't mean they should be cuddled.
Imagine suggesting the copper who killed George floyd might have been suffering from mental health. You would have had the pitch forks at you.
He gives you righties a bad name
I never for one second said "I hope they are alright."
It's the stabbing children that makes me wonder. It's a turn of events isn't it. If children are now going to be targeted like this (not talking about the US), it's very, very concerning.
Anyway, you are very reactionary, Nick. I am sure you would admit that yourself.
I reckon this is exactly how things would go with you in this following scenario.
Let me put this to you.
So, a story breaks. A man has reportedly killed his whole family. So, brother, mum and dad and grandparents.
Stabbed them to death at the family home.
100% you would be saying he's a c*nt and should be shot. Yes?
I am sure you would agree on that. You are pretty consistent and open about it on such matters.
Okay, so what if you found out some weeks later that all the family had been sexually abusing him his entire life. His older brother, both his parents AND his grandparents?
I put this to you, if you heard the original story at the time, that the man had been sexually abused by his whole family and killed them, you would have said that was justified.
Without any doubt. Deserved what they got..l
I don't normally. It's the kids thing that has thrown me and has me wondering.Maybe the copper who killed George floyd was assaulted by black people?
Maybe the copper who killed Sarah everard was sexually assaulted as a kid?
I don't doubt that you're a kind person, much kinder than me but why is it only usually when it "might" be somebody who is islamic or terror related like this that mental health is suddenly called into question? (Not saying that's you by the way).
Yup. Definitely.The whole thread is people effectively arguing about the nationality of perpetrator
I think this is a gross oversimplification, and I wouldn’t want you to think that my answer means I accept the premise of your question. But protests about crimes that are explicitly designed to target minority groups (or are hijacked by people who want to do so) are naturally going to attract more scrutiny and criticism than protests which don’t.why is it only usually when it "might" be somebody who is islamic or terror related like this that mental health is suddenly called into question? (Not saying that's you by the way).
This is genuinely because the Tories are utterly hopeless, no other reason. After Corbyn they could have shut Labour out for a generation by simply not being completely awful, but well, here we are...
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The press reports suggest he had no mental health issues
At what point in the last 13 years did you think they were doing a good job exactly?This is genuinely because the Tories are utterly hopeless, no other reason. After Corbyn they could have shut Labour out for a generation by simply not being completely awful, but well, here we are...
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At what point in the last 13 years did you think they were doing a good job exactly?
And the Tories “won” in 2010/15/17/19 because Labour were hopeless
If you’re claiming your half of the population has won the culture war, you’re gonna need some decent evidence. None of the polling on social attitudes backs up ESB. It’s just standard “well everyone I speak to says X” without realising you’re in a self selecting group.
There’s made out to be some huge difference of belief on immigration but the fact is most people have the views they’ve always had to some extent. Certain flashpoints will spike anti immigrant concern, like the Syrian refugee crisis pre-Brexit, some of the stuff coming out of the pro-Palestine protests, this attack. But generally people want less immigration but other than “stop illegals” can’t say who they want to keep out and want economic migrants in shortage areas and asylum seekers.
To pretend it’s “the left” when the right has been in power for 13 years is frankly just this weird tick right wing people have where they can’t accept they’re in power yet also claim to be the default party of power. Desperate to be anti-establishment even when they are the establishment. It’s born IMO from the new voting coalition of economically liberal and socially conservative post Brexit, but that’s just speculation.
They have managed to damage the union beyond repair in the process too. Should be murals of BoJo in the BogsideI mean they failed to beat Brown during a massive recession and after 13 years, and failed to beat Sane Corbyn once too. It’s hardly a ringing endorsement from the electorate that they managed to beat Milliband and Mental Corbyn.
I'm (seemingly) viewed on here as "Far right" the reality is I've never voted conservative in my life, many traditional Labour voters are concerned about the level of net immigration, it's totally unsustainable.I'm not part of the culture war and my friendship groups have a wide range of views. I also don't blame the left for the issues around immigration as a Conservative government was put in place along with the Brexit vote to deal with that and they've utterly failed. So it seems anyone with concerns around it has literally no one to vote for.
I'd say the noises from the left (your side of the culture war?) seem to write off anyone with concerns as far right as its easier than facing reality. I personally think you'd have to be a moron to think these concerns only exist within the far right now, unless you're prepared to write off huge amounts of traditional labour voters as far right, which would be weird.
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I'm not part of the culture war and my friendship groups have a wide range of views. I also don't blame the left for the issues around immigration as a Conservative government was put in place along with the Brexit vote to deal with that and they've utterly failed. So it seems anyone with concerns around it has literally no one to vote for.
I'd say the noises from the left (your side of the culture war?) seem to write off anyone with concerns as far right as its easier than facing reality. I personally think you'd have to be a moron to think these concerns only exist within the far right now, unless you're prepared to write off huge amounts of traditional labour voters as far right, which would be weird.
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I'm (seemingly) viewed on here as "Far right" the reality is I've never voted conservative in my life, many traditional Labour voters are concerned about the level of net immigration, it's totally unsustainable.
I wouldn't worry about being called far right on here, its like a right of passage for anyone who enters a politics thread with a non left point of view. Most of the posters on here are pretty sound when they aren't waffling on the politics threads so let us not be divided by our differences.I'm (seemingly) viewed on here as "Far right" the reality is I've never voted conservative in my life, many traditional Labour voters are concerned about the level of net immigration, it's totally unsustainable.
So what are you going to do?
I don't have the answers to that shmmeee but we have a chronic housing shortage for a start!!!.What does that mean? “Unsustainable”? What is going to happen at what point?
Because of immigrants?I don't have the answers to that shmmeee but we have a chronic housing shortage for a start!!!.
I think this question is beyond me and indeed anyone on this forum. It's why we have politicians to deal with it, or not...
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I mean at some point you have to accept politicians are human and not some mix of your Dad and Santa.
The elephant in the room here is political choices make very little difference to immigration. It’s spiked the last couple of years because of specific circumstances around Ukraine and lockdown in particular.
But the core drivers of immigration to the UK are the shrinking of the world due to cheaper travel, people’s horizons being expanded due to the internet, our language, and our economy.
Politicians only control two of those and no one wants them to pull those levers (though we tried our best with Brexit).
This is *the* political issue of the 21st century. It’s affecting left wing and right wing open and closed countries. If there was a solution, easy or not, we’d see it. The fact is the solutions suggested by those most concerned about this simply don’t work. A points based system often leads to more immigration. Leaving the EU led to more immigration and a switch from EU (good immigrants) to non EU (not so much). Even if you shot every dinghy on site you’re talking a tiny imperceptible difference to immigration numbers.
You’re asking for a unicorn, and there will always be people who will try and sell you a unicorn. It doesn’t mean you’re going to get anything other than a mutilated horse turn up on your doorstep tho.
Immigration on this scale is the symptom of the world’s problems, not the cause, in my view.So you're saying there's nothing that can be done at all basically? Blimey, and we wonder why people don't feel like they are listened to.
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So you're saying there's nothing that can be done at all basically? Blimey, and we wonder why people don't feel like they are listened to.
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We're not too far off huge levels of population displacement due to climate change. Where are they all going to go?But the core drivers of immigration to the UK are the shrinking of the world due to cheaper travel, people’s horizons being expanded due to the internet, our language, and our economy.
We're not too far off huge levels of population displacement due to climate change. Where are they all going to go?
We're not too far off huge levels of population displacement due to climate change. Where are they all going to go?
No not because of immigrants mate, hopefully the new laws will help speed up new house builds, something needs to be done on affordability,and security of tenure for people renting off private landlords.Because of immigrants?
wtf are you talking about? You were wondering yesterday why I think you are a bit weird, well this is an example.Staying with Tony, D'oD and SBT surely?
Although I'm sure we can put them up in Luxury hotels.
wtf are you talking about? You were wondering yesterday why I think you are a bit weird, well this is an example.
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