Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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If they go PPG Wycombe shoot up the table and could end up being promoted if no play-offs even though they're currently outside play off places
Wycombe’s chairman would prefer end the season over games beyond closed doors
Wycombe chief Rob Couhig prefers end to season over games behind closed doors
Sorry my first post should have said only the PL and L2 would have more teamsAm I missing something here? Surely every division wouldn't have increased number of teams.
The PL would, however the 3 promoted teams from L1 would replace the 3 promoted teams into the Championship, and would be replaced in L1 by the top 3 of L2.
There seems to be a lot of double standards being promoted. Construction sites around the UK are working or returning to work. You just have to see the HS2 sites to witness workers not socially distancing and there thousands of them!
So to pick out football as being unsafe in comparison is bonkers.
I don't wish to keep repeating myself and all options are valid .
Quarantine means isolation followed by testing followed by playing matches and remaining quarantined until season completes.
Astronaut's Go through this every time they leave the planet.
Although probably the least worst scenario and something I'd snap your hand off for now I would feel mildly irritated that Bolton 'got away with one'.From off the record comments I've heard the most likely solution if games can't be completed is that finishing places will be decided on 'sporting merit'
And that promotions will be as usual but there won't be any relegation
So all divisions will have extra teams next season with more clubs being relegated to bring the numbers per division back to how they are now
Probably the least worst solution
Can't argue but I guess when a club is in the state Bolton find themselves it's only likely to delay things for another seasonAlthough probably the least worst scenario and something I'd snap your hand off for now I would feel mildly irritated that Bolton 'got away with one'.
The legal action thing is a bit of a red herring as I doubt it’s possible to sue the EFL
If they go PPG Wycombe shoot up the table and could end up being promoted if no play-offs even though they're currently outside play off places
Agree , if Clubs did go to court the Judge will probably rule in favour of the EFL as the pandemic was not of their making .
Exactly. I've recently briefly spoken to lawyers in my network just to get their two cents on the matter as legalities are far from my strong suit and they've said with confidence it would be difficult for clubs/chairmen to build any sort of case whatsoever against the EFL or other clubs due to the unprecedented nature of the current times as the rule book has effectively been ripped to shreds. In normal circumstances they would of course have a case but in this situation it may not be so straightforward, especially due to the countless loopholes the defendants are likely to find which would probably halt the case in its tracks before it even took off.
But they could also claim the situation arose because the EFl hadn't planned for the possibility, so they are still at fault for not setting out guidelines and thus liable.
I've got no idea which way any of these cases would go. It's usually safer to err on side of defendant as onus of proof is on the claimant ( innocent until proven guilty and all that) but civil cases have a much lower requirement - reasonable doubt.
Don’t think so it would be how you have done in matches played, take us if I’ve got the maths right we have dropped 12 points against the bottom eight teams, two of our three defeats came from that group.If they do PPG surely they would have to do it home and away seperately as most teams have a better home record than away(i e Wycombe home PPG at the moment is 2.33 from 18 Away 1.062 from 16 ) . If it's done that way I make it they would be on the same points as Portsmouth and Peterboro but would have to increase their goal difference a lot. May have got my figures wrong but like I said many times on here a right minefield I would not want to be the 1 doing it.
How can you claim from a legal POV the EFL should've predicted that a pandemic would've halted the season?
That's literally like saying the EFL would be liable if the season was halted due to an alien invasion because there were no policies in place to mitigate the fallout from such a scenario.
They would claim there should be a catch all clause saying if the season cannot be finished for unforeseen circumstances this is what will happen. Not like there is no precedent as stuff got cancelled for WWII so guidelines should have been put in place then..
Judges don't rule in favour of what is morally right, if they did SISU would be wiping the floor with the council!Agree , if Clubs did go to court the Judge will probably rule in favour of the EFL as the pandemic was not of their making .
You can easily have a rule regarding what happens if fixtures can't be completed.You can't enact a catch all scenario because every scenario might be different.
Shocker that you think your own system is the best way of working things out.I don't understand what the problem is with working out who should be promoted and relegated from the various divisions if the season doesn't continue.
PPG is definetly not the best way to work this out.
PPG's obvious flaw is the following: if you have two teams of similar abilities in a league, then the team that has predominantly played others at the lower end of division will have a higher PPG, through positive results, then a team which has played others at the top end of division, through negative results.
This is the flaw to ending the 'round robin' setup early which most sports uses.
There is of course another way to work this stuff out.
Whilst complicated, Glicko-2 is the best way to sort this issue out through an adjudication of the leagues if the season can't continue.
The season, in my opinion, should be played in full. However, if a lot of money is riding on promotion and relegation, and for whatever reason the season can't continue, then shouldn't everyone be looking for the fairest way to bring the season to a close.
You can easily have a rule regarding what happens if fixtures can't be completed.
1) all fixtures must be completed by June 30
2) if fixtures can't be completed by June 30 the season is void / current positions stand / PPG / no promotion relegation / some other solution
Doesn't really matter what you choose the outcome to be or what causes the rule to be invoked it would be very easy to put in place.
A lawyer could also argue this wasn't unforeseen given it has been high on the list of possibilities in the National Risk Register for years.
Shocker that you think your own system is the best way of working things out.
Don’t think so it would be how you have done in matches played, take us if I’ve got the maths right we have dropped 12 points against the bottom eight teams, two of our three defeats came from that group.
Not really. Rotherham in 6th? If it was us in 6th I imagine the view would be rather differentSeems fairly obvious now that we won't be finishing this season.
This seems a fairer alternative to PPG.
Although as long as its not voided, There's literally no way we cannot be promoted.
Think it all depends on what the Prem decide to do.
It’s points per games played that’s why Wycombe for example would shoot up from eighth to third.PPG is an average on games you have played not how you've done in those games .
The ends justify the means!The best explanation of Elo on the net is here.
Glicko-2 was made to sort out some of the issue with Elo which I am sure a person of your capability could share with the group.
It certainly isn't my system. If you want to find more about the history of ratings then this would be a good place to start.
Elo rating system - Wikipedia
Running this stuff (Glicko-2) for City's current season will get you close to this (I am using a Glicko-2 variant):
It's much more accurate then PPG. It sorts out the problems you have with ending a 'round robin' early.
I'll also leave this link here if you don't know what a 'round robin' is. Just in case.
Round-robin tournament - Wikipedia
You would like to think so wingy, perhaps the TV people will suffer a financial loss during this and make them rethink the next round of bidding wars. When it was just Sky with deep pockests it was bad enough, but with BT on board and the potential buckets Amazon could put in, the beast will probably continue to be fed.Is there a potential here to see a return to financial sanity at the top level
Can the media Moguls continue to feed the level of involvement previously or need to tighten belts.
Will the behemoths go it alone and market their own channels.
And will the utterly obscene salaries that suck out 100+% from clubs income end.
It's all very precarious but moreso at the profligate zenith.
Be lovely in theory RTD wouldn't it but I don't see the players readily accepting a much more rational package , along with the ambitions of owners represented through their parent leagueYou would like to think so wingy, perhaps the TV people will suffer a financial loss during this and make them rethink the next round of bidding wars. When it was just Sky with deep pockests it was bad enough, but with BT on board and the potential buckets Amazon could put in, the beast will probably continue to be fed.
I'm surprised to be honest it hasn't imploded due to free streams, that must be hitting them to some degree. But as long as the broadcasters are daft enough to pay these prices, it will continue. What I would love to see, as this pandemic has shown just how fragile clubs are outside of the PL, is a greater filtering down of these huge sums to keep the smaller clubs going. We get crumbs, surely they could afford to let us have a whole loaf.
While I agree it is points per game surely you have to split home and away because if you don't you get a very uneven reading.I quoted Wycombe picked up 39 point at home from19 games and 17 away from 16 games even if they picked up 6 point from the 2away games (which form says they wouldn't) 23 against 39. Do you think that is a fair way to do it?It’s points per games played that’s why Wycombe for example would shoot up from eighth to third.
Right - let's do a repeat of the panic that started when the BBC played HG Wells' ' War of the Worlds' THE ALIENS ARE COMING !!!The EFL would be liable if the season was halted due to an alien invasion because there were no policies in place to mitigate the fallout from such a scenario.
Right - let's do a repeat of the panic that started when the BBC played HG Wells' ' War of the Worlds' THE ALIENS ARE COMING !!!
Top 2 only I would suggest is fair. No one who would have been in the playoffs can say they were hard done to as they are a lottery in themselves.If they go PPG Wycombe shoot up the table and could end up being promoted if no play-offs even though they're currently outside play off places
Hehe.Your right seen some the other day strange people with a bee or something that looked like 1 on the tops.
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